Kramnik should be isolated from the chess world

@RealDavidNavara said in #20:

Revoking titles is not a good idea, although I would like to mention that FIDE has changed its list of the World Champions before, and that Vishy Anand became the unified World Champion in 2007, although Vladimir Kramnik was referred to as a World Champion until 2008 in some sources. And stripping him of the GM title would be absurd as well.
That said, about 10 years ago FIDE forced a certain ex-GM to return his first prize ($11000) after he had been found guilty of cheating at his next tournament.
Many of GM Kramnik's statistic have been found highly problematic by experts.
GM Kramnik has got his reputation of a fighter against cheating primarily because of his statistics and accusations. Those statistics and accusations helped him to play two very well-paid matches against José Martínez Alcántara.
Perhaps FIDE could force GM Kramnik to pay his earnings from those matches to Danya's family. (Money would not repair the damage, but I see no better way how an inactive player could be adequately punished. Removing titles would appear inadequate in this case.)

So you basically say FIDE should force Kramnik give money from non FIDE private event? Unfortunately, FIDE is not court of law, and Kramnik definitely did not cheat on that tournaments. He will simply refuse, troll FIDE and force them to sue him on that decision, with 99% losing in swiss court.
I still don't think Kramnik did anything illegal and rulebreaking. Though his actions were HIGHLY IMMORAL, but... everyone has his own moral. When Danya died he tweeted- told you so, that exploded the whole internet, but that is his moral, that is not a crime- no feeling sorry for Danya's death.
About allegations- first- FIDE saw all this for 3 years, you personally sent complaint, did not get any responce, that means, that they ruled against punishment or ignored- both bad things. They never fully reviewed Kramnik's "proofs" and did any OFFICIAL statements about them. So now you want to punish Vlad for his 3 year long opinions with his statistical proofs (he thinks so) by FIDE, who never officially reviewed them.
What to do from my side-
1st- official statement on all Vlad's statistics, what they are- bullcrap or somewhere not.
2nd- punishment-i will be hated, but i don't think Vlad's opinions(even if you understand his intentions) are punishable, to Danya or to you, David, CAUSE IT IS OPINION AND QUESTIONS( freedom of speech?). But there are some tweets he directly accused some players of cheating, especially on cheating tuesdays(his words, remember tweet- another cheating tuesday, another cheater- and FIDE rated player screenshot), especially this player writes formal complaint. About punishment- 1year ban with probation is enough if there is evidence. Show EXACTLY FOR WHAT he is banned and this reason should be bulletproof, not ban for opinion.
3rd- no punishment will stop Kramnik from continuing his assault on other players, guy can't save his nerves, when losing. So only us can stop him- add community notes on every accusation post and RESPOND to accusations. Best responce- i don't respond to questions of confirmed chess cheater (playing on other player's account is considered cheating), don't be afraid to respond, but no making excuses for explaining actions he is asking questions!

@RealDavidNavara said in #20:

Revoking titles is not a good idea, although I would like to mention that FIDE has changed its list of the World Champions before, and that Vishy Anand became the unified World Champion in 2007, although Vladimir Kramnik was referred to as a World Champion until 2008 in some sources. And stripping him of the GM title would be absurd as well.

BTW David, can i ask, what is happening with your case? Did Vlad sue you and it is ongoing or he had dropped hiw lawsuit?

@RuyLopez1000 said in #40:

What does 'justice' mean and why are you speaking for everyone else?

Justice means that an innocent man suffered because of Kramnik, now he should pay the price.. simple as that

Why should Kramnik go to jail?

He shouldn't but he should be banned from all major chess platforms so that he can't do anything in chess anymore, and maybe even some content creation platforms so that he can't influence others as easily

@SD_2709 said in #43:

He shouldn't but he should be banned from all major chess platforms so that he can't do anything in chess anymore, and maybe even some content creation platforms so that he can't influence others as easily

You forgot he is a fcing WORLD CHAMPION. How do you 1- stop him from coaching? He is a great chess player nonetheless.
2- how do you intend to ban him on X and youtube?

@ValProZwan said in #45:

You forgot he is a fcing WORLD CHAMPION.

I did not. That does not excuse bad conduct

How do you 1- stop him from coaching?

I don't? If he decides to coach people sure, unless he is jailed there's no way to prevent that and as much as i wish he could be jailed I don't think encouraging or instigating someone to commit suicide is grounds enough for jail, unless you physically assist them or there's any solid proof you directly contributed to their death

In terms of morality he's only a bit better than a killer but legally he's safe

Let him coach, but he should not be allowed on platforms like lichess,chesscom or FIDE.. that sends a powerful message that the chess world does not want to be associated with him anymore

2- how do you intend to ban him on X and youtube?

I don't, this is why banning him on platforms like that is much harder... he retains the right to free speech, but he should be banned from all chess related platforms

His current accounts on social media should be banned too on grounds of harassment but that won't help much so whatever

I am not sure but I believe everything is doing is not about fair-play, his problem is the money that he can not win , that's why most of his attacks are for players of titled Tusdays on chess.com. He is a phenomenal chess player OTB ,world champ but has no idea about what he is talking about . No expertise in anti cheating ,statistics or even mathematics. For a chess genius he is pretty dump in any other area. I don't think that he should be stripped from his titles but instead should be banned from every online platform and Fide official tournaments (even as a commentator). This whole thing he started was a desperate move to stay relevant while times are changing and make some money as an "expert".
Just my 5 cents.......

@RishadanPort said, "The community wants justice. AKA revocation, or prison sentence."

Prison sentence? In ordinary law, this would be a civil case (e.g. defamation) and even then not applicable to deceased complainants I rather think. So this would be a most unlikely outcome.

Revocation? By most accounts, Kramnik's titles were fairly earned. The current business, even if correct, does not justify such a move, which also affects the rankings of others.

Justice? At the moment, I don't think there is an agreement as to what exactly happened and how responsible anybody was. The "community" is getting a bit overheated, I think.

Minor update: the petition calling for FIDE to revoke Kramnik's titles has now received almost 40 thousand signatures.

@CoffeeBeanKiller said in #1:

Kramnik made a fool of himself quite enough with his multiple unsubstantiated accusations against respected chess players, but now a young man died and he won't stop. A line has been crossed in my opinion. He's not just making a fool of himself anymore, he's toxic and dangerous to the community.

FIDE should suspend him.
He should not receive any invitation to any tournament anymore.
Online chess platforms should close or at least restrict all of his accounts.
Medias should not give him the attention he so desperately craves for.

I agree with you!!!