Can't create game with specific side any more

@bububulin said in #68:

Ah yes, because your forced leisure is better than mine. Also this makes it impossible to practice openings for the sake of you feeling comfy

Of course. This leasure helps people, your exploits it. Kudos to lichess for weeding out this problem

@aidraken said in #71:

Of course. This leasure helps people, your exploits it. Kudos to lichess for weeding out this problem

It doesn't help people, it oppresses them. Why not simply turn off automatch for color chosen games.

@bububulin said in #72:

It doesn't help people, it oppresses them. Why not simply turn off automatch for color chosen games.

Yes poor people, they are also oppressed against using engines, sandbagging, boosting, and all other kinds of unfair play. And so they should!

The idea is to make things fair for them, not think of ways to enable the abusers

@aidraken said in #73:

Yes poor people, they are also oppressed against using engines, sandbagging, boosting, and all other kinds of unfair play. And so they should!

The idea is to make things fair for them, not think of ways to enable the abusers

You've only created a bunch of inadequate false analogies. The only place where you should be forced to play both colours is a tournament.

@bububulin said in #74:

You've only created a bunch of inadequate false analogies. The only place where you should be forced to play both colours is a tournament.

Nah any rated game. Playing exclusively with white is for kids. They shouldn't be mixed up with the proper players, go play casual mode

@bububulin said in #74:

You've only created a bunch of inadequate false analogies. The only place where you should be forced to play both colours is a tournament.

They are perfect analogies. All of them create unfair playing circumstances for fair players, they have no business in a rated game. Just play both sides, it is the proper thing to do

@aidraken said in #76:

They are perfect analogies. All of them create unfair playing circumstances for fair players, they have no business in a rated game. Just play both sides, it is the proper thing to do

Players who know how to play black and willingly choose black to play are perfectly fine with such circumstances which are fair for them or even giving them advantage. That's why your comparisons are perfectly false.

@bububulin said in #78:

Players who know how to play black and willingly choose black to play are perfectly fine with such circumstances which are fair for them or even giving them advantage. That's why your comparisons are perfectly false.

Players who know how to play against an engine, or have an engine themselves are perfectly fine playing others with one. That's why my comparisons are perfectly perfect.

Morand, you dont understand: casual also not allowed to chose white or black. you can play rated with chosing white or black, but only via invites. So can you now play rated and chose to have white? yes!

So, to take away the option in the open challenge seek makes no sense. Either allow it or not because of rating manipulation with chosing white. But the rating manipulation (white has better chances to win) was likely not the reason for the change, because why is casual also without the option, but rated invites, yes? this is all a non-sense implementation, and its annoying for people who want to train their black/white repertoire.

Chess.com and other chess sites offter this option. Lichess offers berserk and has no problem with "sandbagging" aspect of it. So why bother with black and white?

Next on the agenda: lichess takes away option to chose rating ranges.... (and trust me, some people will cheer to that, too)