@IanReneHn said in #130:
> As an actual autist i feel insulted by that because autism doesn't make you more violent or crazy I hate the type of people who think every mental condition is schizophrenia
I agree. Everyone needs to calm down and stop insulting women, and insulting people with real mental health diseases. I know an autistic person, and he's a great guy! He's funny, he's nice.
@QueenRosieMary said in #123:
> Thank you, I appreciate that you appreciate what I do for the community and the team Think.
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> This is written as a news article, these are traditionally public. No-one "asked" me to make it so public, but for balance, I hope you are also writing to the journalists who published articles on chess,com and various other chess news outlets and not just me.
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By "Going overboard" I believe they mean that the people on the message board are going overboard, not you, but you have the power to take it down. And of course they meant to write "Guys." Sometimes it's important to give people the benefit of the doubt.
@Chesskid3000 said in #132:
> By "Going overboard" I believe they mean that the people on the message board are going overboard, not you, but you have the power to take it down. And of course they meant to write "Guys." Sometimes it's important to give people the benefit of the doubt.
I think @vjc06 is the only person who can explain what they meant. They said:
> Nevertheless you may be going a bit overboard here.
So clearly they said I was going a bit overboard here, not the people in the forum were.
And only they know what they intended to write in the last sentence, but so far haven't clarified it.
Entirely off topic, but:
@IanReneHn said in #130:
> As an actual autist i feel insulted by that because autism doesn't make you more violent or crazy,I hate the type of people who think every mental condition is schizophrenia
I agree about the autism part wholeheartily, but why do you then need to throw people who suffer from schizophrenia under the bus? If you want to fight stigma, please fight them for mental conditions in general, not just the one you happen to have.
I feel you didn't have bad intentions, but portraying autism as a the "good" mental condition and schizophrenia as a "bad" one doesn't help. Neither is particularly linked with unwanted sexual behaviour towards women as far as I understand it. (Even if there would be some statistical correlation).
I think there are plenty of replies to this threat that show exactly what the problem is. Many people say they care about the safety of women, until something happens. Then suddenly women's words are not the be trusted; we should consider the mental welbeing of the perpetrator and we shouldn't discuss this topic at all because of the negative attention. They throw everything at us to silence us (see also the St. Louis scandal with GM Raminez).
These are not signs of ANY mental condition but rather of a systematic not taking this seriously.
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Having said that, I would like the add that the autism thing really is disgusting, same as with the whole "I don't give my children vaccins because they might get autism". This is not only false but also disgusting; polio or autism wouldn't be a hard choice to make. I really get it, it's just that people who have schizophrenia ALSO face this, and worse, stigma. Solidarity is key.
It's clear this type of behaviour has to be banned. This guy has surely a problem to solve.
What i don't like is the way FIDE put this guy - with all details - on the public place.
It's not professionnal.
In a procedure, u have first to listen to everyone (the harassing guy too).
Then, FIDE can give a public information, when procedure is closed.
He should give the explanations or tell the excuses, if any, formulated by the "bad" guy.
And it doesn't belong to the FIDE to give every details in an official statement.
The victim can, if she wants.
Anyway, this way to act looks like a lynching : it will be difficult for this man to come back in some years to chess tournament, even if he solves his psychological problems.
That's not the way a good justice works in a developped democratic country anyway.
Thanks for reading me.
One more word :
I'm reading now that this young GM is only 19 years old....
Can everyone understand the incredible pressure -because of mediatic development - he has to live with just now ?
With a picture like a wanted criminal....
Such a worldly expanded situation can sometimes decide even of the life of people...
Definitely, this type of information for all publics is a bad work of FIDE....
And, Mary, if the picture is from you (if i understand well) : it's just incorrect to put it here.
My opinion of course.
@Avatar23 said in #135:
> It's clear this type of behaviour has to be banned. This guy has surely a problem to solve.
> What i don't like is the way FIDE put this guy - with all details - on the public place.
> It's not professionnal.
> In a procedure, u have first to listen to everyone (the harassing guy too).
> Then, FIDE can give a public information, when procedure is closed.
> He should give the explanations or tell the excuses, if any, formulated by the "bad" guy.
> And it doesn't belong to the FIDE to give every details in an official statement.
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If you read the FIDE statement, they didn't give many details:
https://www.fide.com/gm-christopher-yoo-temporarily-suspended-by-fide-ethics-and-disciplinary-commission
> The FIDE Ethics and Disciplinary Commission (EDC) has announced a provisional 60-day suspension of Grandmaster Christopher Yoo, effective from May 9, 2025. This action follows the submission of a second complaint alleging harassment, currently under preliminary review.
> The suspension stems from two separate complaints alleging violations of the FIDE Ethics and Disciplinary Code. Case 5/2025 (A), filed by the United States Chess Federation (USCF), and an additional recent complaint – whose details and complainant remain confidential due to the sensitive nature of the allegations – are both under investigation by the EDC.
The details are from other sources.
Thank you Mary for this comment....
So i'm wrong about FIDE : the statement looks professional and correct.
Sorry for it : i can't change my text anymore.
It's the way to develop this in forum which is excessive, and may be dangerous.....
@Avatar23 said in #136:
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and that he has a particularly frightening "CV" already at that age. That's serious. Two serious incidents in less than a year apart.
> Can everyone understand the incredible pressure -because of mediatic development - he has to live with just now ?
> With a picture like a wanted criminal....
And can you imagine how the victims live? Filming a tournament and a participant deliberately hits you from behind. Playing a tournament with the fear of being followed by someone with hostile intentions. This is not normal and I find the media unfortunately too discreet about it - probably because he is a GM.
I agree and believe FIDE has reached a level of blatant unprofessionalism, endangering players through pathetic organizations, a perpetual quest for the most lucrative events possible, and partnerships and leadership that are becoming questionable.
And that it is time for players to create their own federation, reconnecting with FIDE's original respectful and humanistic values.
This GM should have been suspended for several years already with the videographer case. He should have undergone advanced therapy, courses, met with specialists during this period. And a ban from competition without anyone to accompany him during and after matches (this could be a FIDE official or a specialist). Here, I have the impression that the previous case was forgotten or neglected by FIDE.
OTB chess never ceases to digust and scare me.
Support to the videographer and the player who remained anonymous
@Avatar23 said in #136:
> With a picture like a wanted criminal....
I think it's just a drawing to avoid copyright infringement.