@Chesskid3000 said in #119:
> Ok, I didn't want to call people out, but it isn't fair to call him "Autistic," nor is it fair to call him a "Horrible excuse for a human being." There's no proof that he's autistic, and it isn't fair on people who are autistic.
I agree, people should remain respectful when commenting.
@QueenRosieMary said in #114:
> Can you explain to me how this approach safeguards female players at these future tournaments, given that this is now the second time something has happened?
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> So, cheating is a no-no (I agree, it is) but harassment-type allegations and incidents are to be ignored by the chess bodies?
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> As I have said in an earlier comment, when chess institutions ignore this sort of thing, it does not end well.
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> Police prosecutions and court cases typically take a long time to process, are you saying that nothing should be done to protect female players in the meantime?
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> Calling the incident "weird" rather understates the possible impact on the alleged victim.
First I want to say that I appreciate what think stands for and the effort that queenrosiemary makes for the community. Nevertheless you may be going a bit overboard here. First of all who asked you to make this so public, not saying you shouldnt have but still I think this is creating a lot of unnecessary argument. Secondly you are probably going to attract trollers making fun of women. i agree that yoo was wrong. Nevertheless protecting women so strigenently will probably not end well as they will resent it or other males will feel that they are being discrimated agianst and they will continue to say that women are weaker, which I assume is against your principles. If major organizations want to figure out this harassment stuff, the women need to dress modestly (not saying they don't) and focus on the game or club not the men. Same thing for the guys. And maybe remove the gays who are messing up society first instead of encouraging them to join organizations
@vjc06 said in #122:
> First I want to say that I appreciate what think stands for and the effort that queenrosiemary makes for the community.
Thank you, I appreciate that you appreciate what I do for the community and the team Think.
> Nevertheless you may be going a bit overboard here. First of all who asked you to make this so public, not saying you shouldnt have but still I think this is creating a lot of unnecessary argument.
How is reporting news "going overboard"? Would you prefer it if these things were hushed up, covered up, swept under the carpet, like so many similar things were in the past? That never ends well when women are silenced and their voices are not heard in relation to situations like this.
This is written as a news article, these are traditionally public. No-one "asked" me to make it so public, but for balance, I hope you are also writing to the journalists who published articles on chess,com and various other chess news outlets and not just me.
"Attracting unnecessary argument" is an interesting way to frame what I would describe as highlighting the serious problems and issues (aka harassment and sexism) women still face in the chess world, more so than in many other sports.
> Secondly you are probably going to attract trollers making fun of women.
And who would be at fault here? Me or the people trolling?
> i agree that yoo was wrong.
If the allegations are proven then I would agree with you.
> Nevertheless protecting women so strigenently will probably not end well as they will resent it ...
So what, then? We just don't protect women? We throw them to the wolves? I very rarely (never?) hear from other women who resent me for standing up for the rights of women to play chess without being assaulted or harassed by men, it should be basic decency and courtesy to allow women to safely enjoy chess tournaments.
> ...or other males will feel that they are being discrimated agianst and they will continue to say that women are weaker, which I assume is against your principles.
How is it discrimination against men to simply ask and expect the (very small minority of ) men who can't control themselves, (because as I have said many times, I am not a man-hater and the vast majority of the chess men I know are absolutely amazing) to just keep their hands to themselves and have a bit of decorum and decency?
Re:saying women are weaker, well that is just sexism plain and simple, there are complex numerical, cultural, historical and opportunity reasons for participation differences in chess.
> If major organizations want to figure out this harassment stuff, the women need to dress modestly (not saying they don't) and focus on the game or club not the men. Same thing for the guys.
If the women and men are dressed according to the tournament dress code, there should be no issue.
Saying "women need to dress modestly" smacks of victim blaming, and suggesting that if a woman is attractive, or showing some skin (the definition of modesty varies greatly with culture) suggests that you think it's not surprising if the men "simply can't help themselves from touching her" etc and "well, she asked for it!"
This is exactly the attitude that blames the women and excuses the men who transgress.
> And maybe remove the gays who are messing up society first instead of encouraging them to join organizations
I'm not sure if this was a typo and you meant to write "guys" instead of "gays"?
Perhaps you could clarify?
@vjc06 said in #122:
> I want to say that I appreciate what think stands for and the effort that queenrosiemary makes for the community. Nevertheless you may be going a bit overboard here.(...)
@vjc06 said in #122:
>If major organizations want to figure out this harassment stuff,(...)
Maybe I'm missing something, but you agree broadly that something needs to change, but not that we should address or bring forth what this is?
The real trouble we're facing currently is exactly in the "if". The major organisations have shown exactly 0 interest in addressing this issue. What can we do but to speak out?
@vjc06 said in #122:
> If major organizations want to figure out this harassment stuff, the women need to dress modestly (not saying they don't) and focus on the game or club not the men. Same thing for the guys.
What on earth has the "harassment stuff" as you call it, to do with how women dress?? And what does "dress modestly" even mean exactly?
@vjc06 said in #122:
> Nevertheless protecting women so strigenently will probably not end well as they will resent it or other males will feel that they are being discrimated agianst and they will continue to say that women are weaker, which I assume is against your principles.
wow. This is unbelievable what I'm reading. You seriously think women prefer that no action is taken to protect them against sexual assault. You seriously think that the focus should be on not offending men, instead of stopping harassment. I can only say this reads like motivated reasoning.
And what counts as being "overly protective" in your mind? Reporting on the news and raising awareness. This is all that anyone is doing. But that is going too far for you? Really I'm just at a loss for words
What a horrible racist picture of Yoo...more demonization?...!
@taldreams said in #127:
> What a horrible racist picture of Yoo...more demonization?...!
Bruh what is racist about the picture?
Indeed, Yoo does deserve to be treated fairly. I took it too far. IF he is found guilty of assault, he should face at least some kind of sentence that protects those he assaulted. I'm not saying lock him up and throw away the key, but I am saying he should take some responsibility for his actions.
I apologize for going too far. I don't remember why I typed what I did--I could have been angry at the time. He does deserve his day in court, and he is innocent until proven guilty.
@LOLATOCTOBERJOINDATE said in #54:
>He's a 19 year old GM. He probably has actual autism. High level chess is being a human calculator, being abnormal is normal in such a case.
As an actual autist i feel insulted by that because autism doesn't make you more violent or crazy,I hate the type of people who think every mental condition is schizophrenia