@Chesskid3000 said in #83:
> People, he definitely made a terrible mistake, but let's keep this civil. Let's not go too far, or start arguments. He did something wrong, he was punished. Let that be the end of it. I understand that it was TERRIBLE to commit assault just for losing a game, but he was banned from participating in tournaments for a year. By the way, I am NOT defending him. I'm just saying that there's no reason to hate him more. It doesn't solve anything. Please don't argue this point with me. If you disagree, please hold your tongue, I have no desire to get in an argument on whether we should hate a fellow human being.
I think you are talking about last year's alleged assault on the videographer?
This article is because of the new, 60-day suspension handed out by FIDE in relation to this incident but also a much more recent allegation of harassment which was a few weeks ago. As mkubecek points out, the suspension is not the punushment but to safeguard the integrity of the investigation and also to protect players in the interim period.
Also, asking anyone who disagrees with you to "hold their tongue" is not how civilised debate works.
And to make it clear, no one, and certainly not me, is advocating for any hate to be directed towards anyone, on the contrary.
Whilst I think the events I have written about are shocking, we should at all times remain considerate and respectful towards all the involved parties in our discussion.
Hahahaha well you have a "President'' who thinks it's all ok
Case closed
Ppl, please understand that u spending time and arguing here ain't gonna change anything...don't get me wrong, this is a very serious issue...but us arguing here is of no value.
@mkubecek said in #90:
> if someone commits a serious crime but is found not responsible for their actions because of psychiatric conditions, they may not end up in regular prison but usually are detained or have court ordered treatment.
I am not against him getting treatment, ordered by court or not. If his doctors think that it's better for him to play chess, he can be allowed at some point, in some tournaments, with some special watch over him maybe
> Chess authorities do not have such power (thankfully) but they can - and should - suspend a player who poses a potential danger to others. And a player who is unable to control himself enough not to transgress like this before his suspension for the first act of unprovoked violence is over is apparently a potential danger, whatever the reasons are.
My question isn't should be suspended, question is how much. And anything beyond 1-2 years makes no sense to me here. Considering that I can't fully know damage in first case (Aronian said about "well-prepared punch", but he was charged with 4th degree assault, not with something stronger, so tbh I can't value his words, he compared this with rape), and investigation is ongoing in second. He is young social idiot, emotionally psycho. So he can get his treatment, work on his mistakes, no chess, for some time, but there's no point in excessive punishments. Some level of social discrimination will be and should be on him anyway.
@CyberShredder said in #94:
> He is young social idiot, emotionally psycho. So he can get his treatment, work on his mistakes, no chess, for some time, but there's no point in excessive punishments.
I don't think he should be punished in the chess world alone, this is a matter for police since stalking and harrasment was involved. Punishing him from not playing OTB chess is not a big punishment alone... There's literally nothing stopping him from doing this to someone else outside of the chess world. This is a matter for police and the medical professionals. Also, I have absolutely no more sympathy for his parents. How is it possible for him to be traveling abroad and doing all of these things with no one supervising him anymore after what happened in St. Louis? I'm sorry for the parents but they seem to have laxed off too early.
@Azice If this woman thinks that she should report it to police, she absolutely should. I am no fan of situations where there is social justice internet court but no real one
@LOLATOCTOBERJOINDATE said in #85:
> You do realize that the worst place on earth for women's rights is India right? Not the chess world. Feminists in the western world have no grounds to complain. India and the middle east are the real patriarchy.
I do realize it, do you realize that it's not a competition for who's treated the worst? It doesn't matter what the country, two wrongs don't make a right.
I suspect GM Yoo has problems with both emotional regulation and reading social cues. He is likely on the Autism spectrum. Chess is often a safe venue for people on the spectrum. HE clearly needs help managing these issues. He is clearly talented in the chess realm but failing miserably in the real world. I hope that he gets the help that he needs before his career is totally ruined. Obviously, his behavior is inexcusable and could land him in jail one day.
@Meow10 said in #94:
> Ppl, please understand that u spending time and arguing here ain't gonna change anything...don't get me wrong, this is a very serious issue...but us arguing here is of no value.
Arguing in a circular fashion in the forums is indeed pointless. But I do think there is value in having a civilised general debate and discussion about the issues that are prominent in chess today.
Women players being harassed by male players is still a big issue and problem in chess (both OTB and online), and as long as it continues to be a problem I think we should talk about it to raise awareness and look for solutions.