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omg you changed it... AGAIN??

#81

I don't see what's wrong with it. I think it's better, and if you don't want to see it, just collapse it. The subcategories are more neat in my opinion, and honestly, it's pretty easy to just revert back to the old way just by expand/collapse. No need to complain.

I don't see what's wrong with it. I think it's better, and if you don't want to see it, just collapse it. The subcategories are more neat in my opinion, and honestly, it's pretty easy to just revert back to the old way just by expand/collapse. No need to complain.
#82

I appreciate all the work Lichess does, but I would also like to voice my displeasure with the new formatting. It is worse for understanding and worse for visualization. I would drastically prefer the old formatting.

I appreciate all the work Lichess does, but I would also like to voice my displeasure with the new formatting. It is worse for understanding and worse for visualization. I would drastically prefer the old formatting.
#84

@Valis2501 said in #82:

I appreciate all the work Lichess does, but I would also like to voice my displeasure with the new formatting. It is worse for understanding and worse for visualization. I would drastically prefer the old formatting.

It is also very laggy and glitchy, something the old one never had. Old one was perfect, i will never change my mind. Please bring it back.

@Valis2501 said in #82: > I appreciate all the work Lichess does, but I would also like to voice my displeasure with the new formatting. It is worse for understanding and worse for visualization. I would drastically prefer the old formatting. It is also very laggy and glitchy, something the old one never had. Old one was perfect, i will never change my mind. Please bring it back.
#85

@biscuitfiend said in #80:

Sure, in the long run, pissing a few hundred people off for a few days probably doesn't matter. But when it happens again and again and again, it will start to matter eventually.

We all love Lichess here. We love what it provides, we love what it stands for, and has always stood for. But when the devs consistently make changes which are essentially experiments, it really doesn't feel like Lichess loves us back, regardless of whether the changes were made with good intentions.

we don't want to piss anyone off. and we do love our users. the reason that it sometimes feels like you're beta testers is because sometimes you are. lichess is free software and there's only one salaried employee on the website - thibault.

we could leave everything alone as some suggest and just let it ride, sure. on balance, i suspect we have a better shot at surviving if we allow contributors to try to make improvements. not all of them will land, and some (usually mine) will be massive clusterfuck abominations, but in general we think the arc bends towards improvement.

strident assertions that we need to test and/or communicate don't really help (although we agree). what could help us is volunteers who are willing to perform these tasks.

@biscuitfiend said in #80: > Sure, in the long run, pissing a few hundred people off for a few days probably doesn't matter. But when it happens again and again and again, it will start to matter eventually. > > We all love Lichess here. We love what it provides, we love what it stands for, and has always stood for. But when the devs consistently make changes which are essentially experiments, it really doesn't feel like Lichess loves us back, regardless of whether the changes were made with good intentions. we don't want to piss anyone off. and we do love our users. the reason that it sometimes feels like you're beta testers is because sometimes you are. lichess is free software and there's only one salaried employee on the website - thibault. we could leave everything alone as some suggest and just let it ride, sure. on balance, i suspect we have a better shot at surviving if we allow contributors to try to make improvements. not all of them will land, and some (usually mine) will be massive clusterfuck abominations, but in general we think the arc bends towards improvement. strident assertions that we need to test and/or communicate don't really help (although we agree). what could help us is volunteers who are willing to perform these tasks.
#87

there is https://lichess.org/team/lichess-beta-testers you can join as well as a testers channel on our discord. occasionally we'll ping one or both of those but it's rare we get many bites. mostly because our test servers don't have any quick pairing or tournament action so it's not too fun to hang out there.

you guys can see what will probably be deployed tomorrow (a partial revert) at https://testy.lichess.dev

there is https://lichess.org/team/lichess-beta-testers you can join as well as a testers channel on our discord. occasionally we'll ping one or both of those but it's rare we get many bites. mostly because our test servers don't have any quick pairing or tournament action so it's not too fun to hang out there. you guys can see what will probably be deployed tomorrow (a partial revert) at https://testy.lichess.dev
#89

I concur! This change absolutely sucks!!! I CANT READ THE MOVES FOR CRYING OUT LOUD!!!!! Almost makes me want to switch to another website

I concur! This change absolutely sucks!!! I CANT READ THE MOVES FOR CRYING OUT LOUD!!!!! Almost makes me want to switch to another website
#90

I hope they change it.

I hope they change it.

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