If Hans is cheating, then how is he doing it?

@Nomoreusernames said in #78:

But how do you get it past a RF scanner?

How do you know that they scanned the players at past tournaments where Niemann steamrolled his opponents?

BTW: The scanners used at the Sinquefield Cup were not RF scanners but simple metal detectors. See this video of Niemann getting scanned:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PIulWkTHuu0

The "RF scanner" they used is this one:
https://garrett.com/security/hand-held/superwand-hand-held-metal-detector

It's obvious. he used vaccines with microchips what contained stockfish to win the game.
Humans already discovered how to convert human into stockfish. you just simply don't trust random anonymous articles!!!

@Onyx_Chess said in #74:

If Carlsen had withdrawn before the tournament started, it wouldn't have been considered an accusation.
The fact that Carlsen withdrew at round 4 is inconsequential.
Between Round 1 and Round 4, Hans added 4 extra red flags for Magnus to deal with, and that was enough for Magnus to withdraw.
No accusations were necessary. No accusations were made.
He tweeted a clip of someone dealing with cheating.
You're finding accusations where none were made.
this is from Magnus' own statement follow up statement, confirming the point of the tweet: "I believe Hans Niemann cheated more, and more recently than he claimed...our game at the Sinquefield Cup... contributed to me changing my perspective...we must do something about cheating...my actions...have clearly stated that I am not willing to play chess with Niemann"

@odoaker2015 said in #66:

Do you know what a strawman is? Lol!
Yes I do!
When I was 4 years old, I actually noticed my mind lying to itself and began recognizing and inventing a list of logical fallacies in order to prevent against it.
You need to do something about this, I'm assuming you're an adult now?
You claiming that people are accusing Hans of cheating at Sinquefield, and then demanding evidence for the claim that people aren't making, qualifies.
"the claim people aren't making"? In his statement about Niemann cheating, he says "Throughout our game in the Sinquefield Cup...This game contributed to me changing my perspective. We must do something about cheating..."

owl.excelsior.edu/argument-and-critical-thinking/logical-fallacies/logical-fallacies-straw-man/
The point of this article is to improve your own critical thinking. Is that what you have done, or have you tried to research trendy reddit insults to try and shoehorn them into forum discussions in order to seem to have a philosophical high ground against valid statements?

Thanks for your help @Nomoreusernames !

@Katzenschinken said in #81:

How do you know that they scanned the players at past tournaments where Niemann steamrolled his opponents?
BTW: The scanners used at the Sinquefield Cup were not RF scanners but simple metal detectors. See this video of Niemann getting scanned:
The "RF scanner" they used is this one:
garrett.com/security/hand-held/superwand-hand-held-metal-detector
It doesn't look like the one in the photo, and the official at St.Louis said they use an RF scanner in an interview. I am happy to be corrected if you know more about it.

@odoaker2015 said in #84:

Thanks for your help @Nomoreusernames !
The truth deserves defending, right?

@Nomoreusernames said in #85:

It doesn't look like the one in the photo, and the official at St.Louis said they use an RF scanner in an interview. I am happy to be corrected if you know more about it.

The metal detector used at the Sinquefield Cup was the one I linked to. Garrett does only produce a limited range of models so it was easy to identify.

But I have to correct myself concerning RF scanners. I hadn't watched the latter part of the video where the guy puts away the metal detector and uses another device which indeed could have been an RF scanner. Tried to identify the model but failed so far.

Nevertheless the question stands how you know that in past tournaments of Niemann they scanned the players.

@Onyx_Chess said in #79:

Cheaters, talking about what's best for the chess world, disqualify themselves from the conversation.

And again: ad hominem! You don't seem to have anything useful to contribute at all. Only ad hominem arguments to despise others! A shame and disqualification for yourself, unfortunately.

@Katzenschinken said in #87:

Nevertheless the question stands how you know that in past tournaments of Niemann they scanned the players.
no, that's not the question, I said that the method you showed was open to being easily discovered, in fact it would be difficult not to find it, especially if someone is using RF. They definitely have RF scanners, and at many events then and before, and he played over 160 games in the last 2 years, (I think more than anyone in the top 100), so RF would have been found at one of them if he had been using it, surely?

@Nomoreusernames said in #89:

no, that's not the question

Of course it is. You simply assume that "they definitely have RF scanners". I doubt that for tournaments in the 2300 - 2600 range where Niemann gained a lot of his Elo points but where no Super GMs were present they went through the hassle of buying professional equipment. In fact the device used at the Sinquefield Cup looks like the LYUMO K-68 which can be bought for 50 bucks at Walmarts. Hardly professional equipment.

It must be something other than RF, right?

We simply don't know. But the multitude of possibilities and the amount of electronics stuff that you can buy in China or at electronics outlets don't warrant any conclusion of the sort that cheating was impossible. Not at all.