If Hans is cheating, then how is he doing it?

@Katzenschinken

And even if the person cheated, that doesn't compromise his/her ability to write here. And make sensible statements.

@odoaker2015 said in #101:

And even if the person cheated, that doesn't compromise his/her ability to write here. And make sensible statements.

When the topic is cheating and a cheater defends another cheater then oh yes, that carries certain implications.

@Katzenschinken said in #100:

Of course there is the possibility he lied in order to support Niemann and make the point that in the end cheating is not so bad. I can't think of any circumstances (except extreme stupidity maybe) that someone could do that but what do I know?

You need to discuss this with the person. Not with me. I am the wrong addressee for this.

@Katzenschinken said in #102:

When the topic is cheating and a cheater defends another cheater then oh yes, that carries certain implications.

I'm not a cheater anymore, I realised it was fucked up and I redeemed myself.

I defend Niemann because of the complete lack of evidence against him. Everything was monitored on camera when he beat Magnus.

@Katzenschinken

I was just responding to the following post.
https://lichess.org/forum/general-chess-discussion/if-hans-is-cheating-then-how-is-he-doing-it?page=10#92

Is this post wrong? Has anyone explained how Niemann is said to have cheated?

@Katzenschinken said in #90:

Of course it is. You simply assume that "they definitely have RF scanners".
The person in charge of fair play said that they use RF scanners, I didn't assume anything, so that is a false charge. Own up!

I doubt that for tournaments in the 2300 - 2600 range where Niemann gained a lot of his Elo points but where no Super GMs were present they went through the hassle of buying professional equipment. In fact the device used at the Sinquefield Cup looks like the LYUMO K-68 which can be bought for 50 bucks at Walmarts. Hardly professional equipment.
Not sure what you are saying here, but it does seem that you are trying to make the detection equipment seem lacking?

We simply don't know. But the multitude of possibilities and the amount of electronics stuff that you can buy in China or at electronics outlets
Do you think Niemann is in with the Chinese, or that the device is simple and commonly available and still evades state of the art detection? As the person in charge of fair play said, they have a scanner which detects electronics also, so you are looking for a device which manages to get around RF scanners, metal detectors, electronics scanners.

don't warrant any conclusion of the sort that cheating was impossible. Not at all.
It's a perfectly good question to consider. If it's possible, then there must be a means right?

@odoaker2015 said in #103:

You need to discuss this with the person. Not with me. I am the wrong addressee for this.

You are exactly the right person to discuss this with. Because guess who asked me if I could prove that this person didn't lie and who suggested that there might be some reason for him to lie.

If you think you don't want to discuss this any further, fine. Then don't suggest silly things like these.

@Katzenschinken said in #96:

Congrats. You have funny standards by which you pick the people you support.

So I can't make a valid point, ever, because I did something stupid?

I'm not disputing that what I did was really bad. But the point is, I still don't think I'm irredeemable. I could still make valid points. Besides, I have been putting in a lot of sincere effort to play normally.

@odoaker2015 said in #105:

Is this post wrong? Has anyone explained how Niemann is said to have cheated?

Nope, no one has. They're blowing hot air.

@Katzenschinken said in #102:

When the topic is cheating and a cheater defends another cheater then oh yes, that carries certain implications.
What if the topic is about potential false accusations, should we exclude false accusers, or reason with them?

Back to the topic, you were saying "In fact the device used at the Sinquefield Cup looks like the LYUMO K-68 which can be bought for 50 bucks at Walmarts. Hardly professional equipment." Do you have any evidence for that, or is it meant to discredit St.Louis Chess Club?