Cheaters are not banned

@possum_hollow its called the dunning Kruger effect people with very little knowledge on a topic seem to overestimate their knowledge/skill. same happens with those "very obvious cheats" my comparison for the gms is they make false claims and cheating is the same regardless of level since you can do the same things at any level its just what the cheaters are willing to do that changes

"IP address is main identification of PC in the internet and getting everytime new IP is not trivial. You can't ask your ISP every time to give you new IP."- @Alex-31

i have a dynamic ip i can go into my routers settings and press 2 buttons to get a new ip
so can anyone with a dynamic ip

@nadjarostowa said in #11:

It typically goes like this: 1200 player loses against 1200 player, presses analyse button, sees high accuracy score and is absolutely convinced they were cheating, because how could a 1200 play such a perfect game?
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Chess CAN teach you to take responsibility for your own mistakes and work on improving yourself. But many take the easy way out and blame someone else when they lose.

@EmaciatedSpaniard said in #23:

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Chess CAN teach you to take responsibility for your own mistakes and work on improving yourself. But many take the easy way out and blame someone else when they lose.

Indeed. Of course this is nothing new since the advent of online chess and the existence of engine cheating. There has merely been a new and very obvious excuse added in the last 25 years or so to the ones people always used to fall back on (headache, can't cope with the hot weather, didn't like the chess pieces they were using, etc etc).

Edward Winter has a nice compilation of these excuses, most of them before the advent of engines and online chess:
https://www.chesshistory.com/winter/extra/excuses.html

@derkleineJo said in #13:

No, they don't. Who told you that and why do you believe them?
The only thing that is (almost) unique is the ID of your network adapter.

www.hotspotshield.com/resources/will-my-ip-address-change-if-i-move/#:~:text=Even%20if%20you%20don't,terms%20change%2C%20your%20IP%20address

You are giving link which discusses IP changes when you move to a different location or change ISP. Are you often doing so?! (about dynamic I will post below).
"The only thing that is (almost) unique is the ID of your network adapter."
I said IP is the main identification when you surfing internet, ID of your network adapter (MAC address) is not visible to the websites (with some exceptions), it only matters for ISP to assign IPs to users.

@mkubecek said in #14:

And some don't even offer actual connectivity but only provide access via a masquerade

Do you know such ISP who gives users access to internet only by "masquerade" (why not say most common word for it) as you say and the reason they do so? can you name them please? and even if it is so, who to blame - those ISPs, isn't it?!

@mkubecek said in #14:

Today even most home users have dynamically assigned IP addreses

Dynamic. so what, my IP is also theoretically dynamic but last time it has changed was more than 1 year ago. I understand that you mean there are some ISPs who change IPs often and it might be even a day interval, but I don't think worlds all ISPs or even most of them doing so, meaning changing IPs day after day. This would require them to disconnect their users every day. I'm not pretending that I know how all ISPs in the world are operating, a person how much IT expert he/she wouldn't be can't know this. Such a thing has to be determined by the website admin who has technical knowledge and see IPs of their users. Some really might have such often changing addresses, some might not. Are you working at Lichess to give proofs that most users IPs change in a few days?
When I say ban by IP I of course don't mean to ban a particular IP forever, that's stupid because someday a different person might get it. I mean that if you ban a cheater's IP even for a month, this would help reduce their numbers.
Even if many would have every day changing address, I agree such IP is hard to ban but it's still possible to assign to it fingerprint for example (although this won't be 100% accurate), maybe there are some other technical ways... A good programmer like Lichess owner would know this better.
I'm writing all this not because I desire and suddenly my muse opened to post on forum, I think that it should be done every possible try to somehow reduce their numbers, not 100% of course. Otherwise, is removing them by username called ban? - No, In 2 minutes they will create new account.
If IP is not the way, might everyone be required to register by their personal ID, not only titled players, and give ban by ID (now faking ID is not worth and not everyone will know how).

@mkubecek said in #14:

Like every employee of one company? Every student of a university or living in the same university dormitory?

Every employ of the company should work at the company. Every student should study at university. If they are not satisfied with this, then may they buy static IP or ask their dormitories to provide them normal connection.

@nadjarostowa said in #15:

With many providers, you simply hit "reconnect" on your router and voilà, you get a new connection with a new IP within seconds.

You have more than one ISP?! is this what you are saying? Does not matter how many ISPs you have, every IP owner who cheated should be banned.

@nadjarostowa said in #15:

And mobile users frequently get new IPs as well

It is possible to make separate tournaments for mobile users and PC users. Users, who use PC and would be aware of insecurity of mobile connections will enter the tournaments marked PC only.

@nadjarostowa said in #15:

And no, I do not share any responsibility with that guy that visited the hotel yesterday

It is known that public access points like hotels, coffee shops and such are insecure. Your password may be easily breached if you use their wi-fi and your computer might acquire virus with their connection. Yes, it is your responsibility to know this and be ready for such accidents. If you don't care about this and use your device in an insecure place, why should a website care it for you?!

@nadjarostowa said in #15:

No idea why you think that email addresses are suddenly free again after a TOS violation?

I said that by their TOS they fight spam and illegal activities if they notice such.

@nadjarostowa said in #15:

Good luck with that!

Thanks!

@nadjarostowa said in #15:

you're making fun of everyone now.

At least if one person is having fun with this, why's that bad.

@nadjarostowa said in #15:

The internet is quite an anonymous place

he he he. You really convinced yourself with this? bud schastliva togda :)

@nadjarostowa said in #15:

Very bad? Very relevant.

I don't know how common or relevant it is, but I know that 1200 player does not know chess well, not to mention his/her engine detection even if he/she understands what those numbers mean in analyses page.
I myself don't judge only by those numbers (though they also mean quite much and I have players reported who have 0-1-2 accuracy only with engine playing pattern but not banned still). I understand and can sense engine playing by various factors like, its tactics or positional strength, the speed doing it, the time interval the moves are made and other chess things (not mean I'm 100% accurate of course).

@for_cryingout_loud said in #22:

i have a dynamic ip i can go into my routers settings and press 2 buttons to get a new ip
so can anyone with a dynamic ip

I think you are misleading internal and external IP. If you really mean external, could you please write me the name of your ISP in private!?

For the conclusion (as I don't think I will continue posting), I also would like to mention the lab itself from where cheaters are created. It's not secret today and everyone knows about chessbot and programs like this (one alternative was ICK, were also some others but I couldn't find their website), which helps cheaters to cheat even in bullet. This one - Chessbot has its own website, forum, giving everyone left and right. Now author calls it "calculator" which has the ability to connect every chess website and play with engine either by itself either just showing you moves and give flexibility to not use it everytime which makes engine detection harder.
Now I understand about his rights and "freedom" of internet but... sorry but isn't this guy the one who really kills online chess? or am I again mistaken and blinded by incompetence? Why no one complains against it, is this normal for chess players? The reason to justify criminal will always be there, everyone have their "truth", but personally I'd like to close that website. When that website will be closed, most of the cheaters will be gone. Because, if the program stops develop, website should update in such way that old version of that program wouldn't work, and that's it.
How to achieve to close that website? - Only I or someone else - can't. What could be done in my opinion? (I'm sure there will be better) Well, titled and renowned players-masters, also reputative chess website owners could agree and sign an appeal to the author of that website that he stopped developing such nonsense, because the main and real purpose of his program is (if he still didn't understood this but he does very well I'm sure) - to cheat and kill online chess. If he accepts and stops willingly, everyones life will get better (except cheaters), if not, then the appeal should be made to Fide which should use juridical ways to force to close that cheaters lab.
Today, when online chess become no less important than offline, I think such principal decisions should be made soon or later, arguing this and just saying: "see, how many usernames we banned" is just for showcase.

Thanks for listening and because English is not my language, sorry if I stated some things incorrectly.

@Alex-31 said in #25:

Thanks for listening and because English is not my language, sorry if I stated some things incorrectly.
A lot of things... too many to waste time going through them one by one. But it has nothing to do with language. This one really stands out:

It is known that public access points like hotels, coffee shops and such are insecure. Your password may be easily breached if you use their wi-fi and your computer might acquire virus with their connection.

as it clearly shows how bad your understanding of networking communication is. (Yes, I'm well aware that many other people also believe this nonsense.)

Funny, everyone wants to belittle the chess knowledge of a 1200 rated player, talk about them making excuses for a loss, and so on. No one bothered to answer my question.

@possum_hollow said in #27:

Funny, everyone wants to belittle the chess knowledge of a 1200 rated player, talk about them making excuses for a loss, and so on. No one bothered to answer my question.

this question?

Can you tell me the statistical probability of said 1200 rated player running off 10 straight games at greater than 90% accuracy?Oh, and every move was made in 8-10 seconds, regardless how obvious or difficult.

i wouldn't know how to calculate that. I would if I could.

I guess you feel there are a lot of cheaters rated 1200? why would their rating be 1200 if they were cheating? wouldn't it be more likely to be 2800 or higher?

Sorry, I won’t engage any mire with this. This is Kruger-Dunning pretty much maxed out.

@h2b2
"I guess you feel there are a lot of cheaters rated 1200? why would their rating be 1200 if they were cheating? wouldn't it be more likely to be 2800 or higher?"

I don't recall saying anything about a lot of cheaters at any rating. I asked a question.