I think the biggest part of cheaters is that they simply dont have an outlet. I think their main interest is computer chess and they cant afford a chessbase gui to go and play in the engine room at playchess. Say lichess made an engine vs engine arena....that could possibly reduce the amount of cheating in human games by a lot. Or maybe it wouldnt?
I (personally) have seen/played a few cheaters in the last few years, the most I've played against is lag cheaters. Obviously from my profile you can tell I play a lot of bullet the most frustrating and often frequent cheaters I play are lag cheaters who are abusing the lag compensation and going up time. But they are still rare, on chess.con every hourly bullet tournament I play is won by a day old account who is 300 rated XD. Lichess could maybe do a little better but I'm very happy with how they deal wit cheaters.
I really wish I could find the game lol. I once played a brand new account that was 3100 bullet in quick pairs and afterwards he played a hyper tournament and was ban half way through, I thought the whole experience was hilarious
> @synestro said in #61:
> I think the biggest part of cheaters is that they simply dont have an outlet. I think their main interest is computer chess and they cant afford a chessbase gui to go and play in the engine room at playchess. Say lichess made an engine vs engine arena....that could possibly reduce the amount of cheating in human games by a lot. Or maybe it wouldnt?
Not true i playng so much video games and i have chess base + i playng good i been win 5 times 1st place in real life tournament and cheaters can stop cheating if they want to stop
@Apogee2022 said in #63:
> Not true i playng so much video games and i have chess base + i playng good i been win 5 times 1st place in real life tournament and cheaters can stop cheating if they want to stop
Not sure if you were paying attention to what i was saying. Ill reiterate a bit. The engine users we encounter here mostly do not have an outlet. Have you ever played at yahoo chess before its final days? The most terrible place there ever was to try and play chess imo. I would see cheaters there openly talking about how and where they would pirate the latest engines and like i was saying about them not having an outlet they chose that site to look for engine vs engine. My point is that if they had a free platform that was widely known to do what they do risk free that could reduce the amount of cheating that happens possibly. And at the very least if this site had them an engine arena we could at the very least identify the type of people that are into that here
@Apogee2022 said in #63:
> Not true i playng so much video games and i have chess base + i playng good i been win 5 times 1st place in real life tournament and cheaters can stop cheating if they want to stop
Furthermore this was a really fishy response you gave me. Either your english is terrible (and it is) or theres another reason you took my post so personal
Ok but they still can stop cheating nothing hollding dam to stop cheating
@synestro said in #65:
> Furthermore this was a really fishy response you gave me. Either your english is terrible (and it is) or theres another reason you took my post so personal
and yes my english is bad but what bad i say i love playng video games
Its almost unbelievable you amount of talk about cheating.
Cheating(if it exist) happens for 1 reason (mainly) everyone talks about it it is made the cheaters feel really good and important
Remember if you would like something to go away don't reward it by talking about it.
Video games cheating what gives.
As a if side note if you can't convert a material or space advantage don't ask for resignation and if that doesn't work say cheating?
@justme23 said in #69:
> En passant, si vous ne pouvez pas convertir un avantage matériel ou spatial, ne demandez pas de démission et si cela ne fonctionne pas, dites tricher ?
En parler, le prouver (moi je l'ai précisé illégalement) mais si tu te donnes la peine de fouiller le web tu trouveras autant de joueurs qui démontrent légalement les tricheurs (exactement les mêmes procédés que j'ai écris) et autant ceux qui se vantent de tricher en ligne.
Dire que les sites sont très actifs sur la triche c'est n'importe quoi. Ils pourraient faire tellement plus. Je le répète leurs méthode est digne des années 80. Les seuls qu'ils sont en capacité d'attraper ce sont les idiots qui ne se cachent pas.
Mes 2 dernières parties en rapides du jour avaient leur échiquier d'analyse d'ouvert et répétaient les coups (appelles ça comme tu veux, tournes le aussi comme tu veux mais en partie classée = triche).
J'ai proposé de streamer en trichant en garantissant que je ne me ferais pas prendre et je persiste que je peux le faire et c'est juste standard à faire. Je peux faire une 2 parties contre toi (1 en trichant et 1 normal) sans te dire laquelle est quoi.
Les GMI en sont à dire que la triche en ligne est devenu une norme, les organisateurs de tournois aussi. Bref, tous ceux qui se posent des questions et essaient de comprendre arrivent au même résultat en démontrant les mêmes procédés.
Cette semaine, nous avons fait un tournoi en ligne entre clubs de youtubeurs dont des gradés et bien devines quoi = > 4 cas de triche détectés dont +2 000 elo avéré (gradé MI). Des 1200 elo qui ont explosé des +1900 elo. Des joueurs qui gagnent 8 parties avec 0 erreur, 0 imprécision, 100% de précision (8min +3s) vs +2000 elo.
Aujourd'hui les sites en lignes ne servent qu'à travailler des mouvements/ouvertures/phases de jeu. Le reste est amenée à disparaitre.
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