@Dr_Zee said in #39:
> Here is a comparison: new imgur.com/a/sioJvT5 vs old imgur.com/a/19o0BW6.
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> I prefer the old; I can see at a glance what is going on with the variations in a way that I just can't with the new. There is (at least for me) a really elegant readability in the old way of displaying hierarchy.
For me it is also a lot harder to scroll to go along the analysis. Yes, the old one is ten times better.
Is there a chance of the old one coming back?
@Gordima said in #21:
> I've been using the Lichess studies for a long time to store and revise files, as well as when writing articles. It is unfortunately completely unusable now due to this "brilliant" idea with the plus button. I hope this horrible update will be rolled back soon.
For me i can still use it, i just have lag and the look is worse and it is harder and much more glitchy, especially when trying to press the “-“ and “+”
The new look is OK by me! However, I do believe there should be some toggle button for people who prefer alternative ways to display lines, the old way or other newer. We are all wired differently and what is neat and readable for some is not for everyone.
About the highlight box of the main line: I suggest it to be a custom color because the gray box makes it harder to read lines, at least to me.
It occurs to me that part of the issue here is that people probably use studies for different things. As someone who uses them to create repertoires, like a lot of the people commenting here, the overriding concerns are readability and being able to visually perceive the hierarchy of moves. Everything else is secondary to that.
The idea of a "main line of a chapter" is something I like about having repertoires in Lichess as opposed to keeping a repertoire in a pure treeview in something like ChessTempo, it provides an organizing principle. But "the main line of a sideline" is not something I want. If a sideline were that important, it would get its own chapter. The biggest problem with the new version is that it makes huge sacrifices to visual readability and structure to try to enforce this idea that I don't want anyway.
The [+] and [-] idiom to me means "expand and contract", not "show or hide", and the overuse of it is creating visual clutter and readability issues. To the extent that I want inline italicized sidelines, they should have the feeling of an aside. You know, like "by the way, you can't play X here because of Y" and not "here is a whole alternative line"). The way I would do this is to limit italiicized sidelines to a few moves and thereafter break them out into a treeview, just like when there are three or more lines. If italicized sidelines are limited in size this way, then I don't require a way to show or hide them. If you're concerned that constant treeviews will make branching factor too high, that's OK, because when this happens it's a sign that I need to break my content up into more chapters.
As far as comments go, maybe best would be a global show/hide inline comments setting, maybe with some visual thing to show that a move has a comment, like I don't know, a very faint underline or something. The idea of showing some comments and hiding others, selectively, is something I can't imagine ever being useful. Treating comments the same as a set of variations (in terms of showing/hiding them the exact same way) seems logically incoherent to me, and from a usability perspective, it makes no sense to be like "there is something here, it might just be an offhand comment or it might be an entire subtree of variations, and if you want to know which you have to hit expand".
As I said, this is all from the perspective of someone who only ever uses studies for repertoire. If any other repertoire-users disagree with any of this, please chime in.
@ChrisVinall that's some good feedback right there, thanks.
@Bust-A-Move said in #2:
> I agree. And now the button to go right back to the start of the game is gone as well. Very annoying to scroll back to the start of the game
I actually like what they did. Now to get to the beginning or the end of the chapter, you swipe on the back or forward button rather than press it. This was a great idea IMO because I was always accidentally pressing the button and losing my spot
Thank you all for the feed back to my post.
Im so disgruntled by the changes that currently im trying to build an offline version of lichess studies that i can modify slightly to get back to the old way of displaying which was so much more clear to me and yes, that probably has to do with the fact that i use lichess studies exclusively to build my repertoire.
When i scroll to look at everyting, it was so clear before i could see in a glance everything that was going on, now it is such a mess and the main problem like me and other people mentioned before is that every single sub lines has their own mainline and so on, if you are really dead set on changing things... (but why?) At least don't give every single sub lines their own individual mainlines and even sub lines of sub lines gets their own mainline and so on.... so confusing...
A really, really cool thing would be to give the option to people display A or display B ... for people who really like the new way but my guess is if we would do a poll a huge majority of people would vote for the old way
It might be hard to understand but Lichess studies is my whole life i have dedicated so much to this, i need to have it right that is why the title of my post is that way i apologize but it has been really hard for me since the change
+1 for the old way, the new way is very confusing and unintuitive. I believe lichess devs will make this right
I hope so.... and i just want to mention that up until this update i thought every single other addition and change that happened before was so good and i came to love lichess studies more than everything else on the net.
But my story is i have been on work leave for over 2 years and i have spending most of my time everyday building my repertoire with lichess studies. 100 studies, with each over 10 chapters containing each hundreds of positions. (I have had lots of people asking - my studies are private.) I put them on chess tempo and practice them every day. The amount of work i put in there in immense. That is why i was so shooked by the change and i apologize to lichess for the title and sounding dramatic but i cant find a way to change the title
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