The Hans Niemann Effect

@LegendaryQueen said in #41:

To you and me @Nomoreusernames it's very strange. Why insult your opponent after the game? Why not just have fun? There's a difference between having a high desire for self-perfection, and for gaslighting and toxicity.

[Edited: Two hours later.]

This is just in reply to Cedur's incoherent discontent. The problem is toxicity, hostility and the rest are Not part of chess in the pure form, nor of any kind of reasonable form around it. Incendiary and inflammatory (constant ridicule, high-pitched emotional outburst from Hikaru, the all-content around the incendent,) etc.

1.) Being drunk does not excuse cheating.
2.) Being high-rated does not excuse it.
3.) Your opinion that it's okay does not excuse it.

So on and so forth.

And the incoherent animosity which says, "Yes it does" or anything else is certainly not logical in any way shape or form. Why do you think those defending the person who does such things constantly curse out and so on and so forth?

It's just so sad because it's so heinous. Do you think constant toxicity (Calling opponents moron- actually that's what I was looking for, when the "Idiot" one came up) is beneficial for chess in any way shape or form?

An attempt to black-list someone just when they win a game?
Do you not see how such rampant toxicity are exceedingly harmful?
Well obviously but yeah.

The final point which of course you will not care a whit about is this: Professionals in any capacity are usually better than this.
Professional doctors do not make fun of you for not knowing the symptoms or the causes of an ailment.

I dunno --- Mike Caro explains it better LOL.

He condemns a 'professional' poker player for their bad behavior or "making fun" of their opponents -- who as he points out are professionals in many capacities... For example a professional doctor may play poker with someone lose some money etc.

The 2500-rated player that Carlsen called an "Idiot" in that video may have been a professional musician, doctor, tennis player, or any of those or None of those
and he Still and absolutely deserves respect.
Constant and absolute erosion of this are not befitting a "professional" of any field.

Lookie there. Rofl. But the incoherent animosity will not advance, will not grow. Will not learn; and will continue downvoting my posts on the Caro-Kann or anything rofl.

[Edit;

Let's say you play a game with Carlsen. You got a draw! Then, you see after the game, he called you an "Idiot" or a "Moron." You were so happy you got a draw with him then only saw his abuse. Maybe you give up chess, or maybe you just pass his animosity along to the next player.

Then let's say you think you're playing Tari but it was Carlsen playing. So on and so forth.]

@Nomoreusernames

Thanks for upvoting guys.

Yeah the group of people "patting themselves on the back" certainly do seem to be encouraging so much brain-wrackingly difficult conceptions such as "Respect people," and so much else rofl.

@Cedur216 said in #48:

nobody will except a cycle of four people that constantly bluster into anger on this forum...

@BeaverB1xQD8

Are you kidding ??? What the **** are you talking about man ?
You are a biggest looser i ever seen in my life !
You was doing PIPI in your pampers when i was beating players much more stronger then you!
You are not proffesional, because proffesionals knew how to lose and congratulate opponents, you are like a girl crying after i beat you!
...be honest to yourself and stop this trush talkings!!!
And "w"esley "s"o is nobody for me, just a player who are crying every single time when loosing,
No need to listen for every crying babe, Tigran Petrosyan is always play Fair !
And if someone will continue Officially talk about me like that, we will meet in Court! God bless with true! True will never die ! Liers will kicked off...
a cheater is a cheater and Hans IS a cheater , whether you like it or not
Is there a men karens category?

@Cedur: Is that the "four people that constantly bluster into anger" you speak of? It's one person! Your new protagonist?

Dude it's a perfect elaboration of their position.

Incoherent animosity, hostility and abuse etc.

@LegendaryQueen said in #50:

It's quite literally beyond insane to think that Hans cheated in that game.
Hans did cheat.
If you think he didnt cheat, then you are saying that Carlsen is insane.

@Nomoreusernames said in #47:

Your attempt at sarcasm failed. Your flawed logic did in fact "get you". Whether your ego accepts it or not, others will.

1. It is red or it is blue.
2. It is not blue.
3. Therefore, it is red.

@me >Post video showing Hans cheating online
@Nomoreusernames >not OTB cheating proof = nope, not a cheater

@me >a cheater IS cheater (by definition ), (by rule of law), (by principle), (by social contract), (by all means)
@Nomoreusernames >not OTB proof = not a cheater

@me >...
@Nomoreusernames >I'm not done, please answer me

@me >...
@Nomoreusernames >post video of Magnus cheating in ONLINE

ONLINE ONLINE ONLINE ONLINE ONLINE ONLINE ONLINE

1. It is red or it is blue.

2. It is not blue.

3. Therefore, it is red.

4. It is a cheater or not a cheater.

5. It is not OTB.

6. Therefore, it is NOT a cheater.

flawed

@BeaverB1xQD8 said in #23:

Though, when someone argue there is no proof he cheated, there are proofs.
There isn't 3 types of people -online cheaters, OTB cheaters and non cheaters.
There is no room for cheaters anywhere.

@Nomoreusernames said in #38:
So what do we do about this? Magnus is cheating in front of your eyes in this video (and it's not the only time). Is there no room for Magnus Carlsen anywhere?

@BeaverB1xQD8 said in #44:
WOOOOOAAH! Now that's a game changer... Have you sent this video to any mainstream media? just wait the jury see this during the court hearing, ouch! damn you got me

@Nomoreusernames said in #47
Your attempt at sarcasm failed. Your flawed logic did in fact "get you". Whether your ego accepts it or not, others will.
If you can get reach a point where you consider all the factual info and can rationally and with introspection, correct your thinking, then you have won!

@BeaverB1xQD8 said in #55:

1. It is red or it is blue.
2. It is not blue.
3. Therefore, it is red.
   blah blah blah

Stop making stuff up, that's the first step towards being able to find the truth. If your story relies on lies, then that is a clue to reassess what you think. The clever people have to do that, that's how they became clever.

@Nomoreusernames how YOUR video of magnus and MY video of hans differ?

BOTH, posted here, similarly with the clear intention of showing magnus/hans cheating online

@cheater [IS] @cheater

whether you can deal with it or not

at least try to makes some sense while trolling

@BeaverB1xQD8 said in #57:

@Nomoreusernames how YOUR video of magnus and MY video of hans differ?
BOTH, posted here, similarly with the clear intention of showing magnus/hans cheating online
@cheater [IS] @cheater
whether you can deal with it or not
at least try to makes some sense while trolling
I am not trolling nor claiming that Niemann didn't cheat. Are you trying to say you think there is no room for Magnus in chess? Perhaps I mistook your response for sarcasm?

@Cedur216 said in #48:

nobody will except a cycle of four people that constantly bicker and bluster into anger on this forum and backpat eachother while doing so.

@RPO-599 I bet guilty (personal belief).

my punishment: checking if you still remember your joke in one year.

What a courageous punishment bet...

@KiHjJjH said in #54:

Hans did cheat.
If you think he didnt cheat, then you are saying that Carlsen is insane.

Are you making a bet? :)