If you were innocent, why create a fake friend in the first place?
That late admission doesn't do you a favor at all
I'm wondering why you're allowed to have this account if the mods presumably know it, that's only possible if you admitted to cheating in the appeal
(edit: now since your identity is given away, I'm done with you anyway)
@Cedur216 said in #51:
> If you were innocent, why create a fake friend in the first place?
>
> That late admission doesn't do you a favor at all
>
> I'm wondering why you're allowed to have this account if the mods presumably know it, that's only possible if you admitted to cheating in the appeal
The fake friend was quite obvious it was me. I even used quotation marks. I created it hoping by saying it was a friend it would be less evidence for moderators to prove this account was mine. Now they know it, so I can admit it was me.
They officially say (even in the appeal page) one is allowed only if he admits, but I never did it. I ask @Funkmaus or some other moderator to please confirm it.
Said that, if you don't want to comment anymore, as you wish. Still, your behaviour is not coherent with what you wrote in your blog. Just say "I'm sure lichess is always right when they ban someone".
Last: please remove my nick, I'm anonymous here.
@Basch_of_Dalmasca said in #52:
> They officially say (even in the appeal page) one is allowed only if he admits, but I never did it. I ask @Funkmaus or some other moderator to please confirm it.
What happens in someone ́s appeal process is confidential and will never be shared with third parties.
The issue is between the account owner and lichess.
We do not forbid our users to take a screnshots of the appeal conversation and sharing it with whoever they want.
Pinging me (or any other moderator) in expectation to get an official confirmation/denial is just a no-go. Please refrain from it in the future. Thank you for your understanding.
@Funkmaus said in #53:
> What happens in someone ́s appeal process is confidential and will never be shared with third parties.
> The issue is between the account owner and lichess.
> We do not forbid our users to take a screnshots of the appeal conversation and sharing it with whoever they want.
> Pinging me (or any other moderator) in expectation to get an official confirmation/denial is just a no-go. Please refrain from it in the future. Thank you for your understanding.
Making fake screenshots is the easiest thing in the world. However, here are the last two messages https://ibb.co/b7XJZR8
Lichess has a surprisingly good cheat detection, compared to other chess websites. Out of the last 20 people I reported, 19 got banned.
> We constantly improve our anti-cheat systems and recruit new volunteer moderators to help us with the workload.
Well, you could at least restrict the obvious cheater accounts more quickly. Recently there was an account from Jordan winning every game in the daily rapid arena easily, amongst them some master level opponents. The account had a bullet rating of 1700 and a blitz rating of 2000... As the weaker player you might win a game against stronger opponents once in a while due to mouse slips or a blackout or whatever but certainly never many times in a row.
Often cheater accounts are new and don't have many quick games at all but if they do and the ratings are low (because they didn't cheat in bullet or blitz) it should be 100% safe someone is a cheater. No need to verify anything...
They shouldn't be allowed to finish the tournament.
Did people request computer analysis on their games? That's the very least thing you should do, to trigger the automated layers of detection.
@mrbasso said in #56:
> Often cheater accounts are new and don't have many quick games at all but if they do and the ratings are low (because they didn't cheat in bullet or blitz) it should be 100% safe someone is a cheater. No need to verify anything...
Unfortunately that is not how moderation in general and cheat detection specifically work. There are a number of parameters and a number of combinations of the same parameters that need to be checked and studied in the investigation before we can be reasonably certain that someone is cheating.
What I notice reading the forums and the opinions pictured as facts and truths by certain players about cheat detection is that many of these people have no idea or very little understanding of how the process actually works and how many things we need to do before we can ban someone for unfair play.
Naturally there are levels of difficulty, one behavior might be obvious, one might be suspicious and one might seem absolutely normal while in reality the player is cheating and there could also be false positives.
We don't have the crystal ball, the informations that we need to investigate someone take time to be gathered, sometimes quicker, sometimes slower.
In the end it's much more complex than what you think and than how you're picturing it.
> They shouldn't be allowed to finish the tournament.
Yes they shouldn't, but again you have to consider several factors before you can act. And before that you have to consider the conditions that may or may not allow one or more systems that check games automatically to activate and you also have to consider the time and attention factors of human moderators who already have several other tasks to accomplish and not everyone is part of the fair play team and almost everyone is a volunteer who dedicates their free time to moderate the site in each of its corners.
So yes, it would be right that the cheater gets stopped before the tournament ends but sometimes it doesn't happen for a series of factors that have nothing to do with the competence of the mod team or the efficacy of the automated systems.
I'm always surprised how I have been playing 3-4 years and have run into 3-4 "cheaters." Yet other people play only 3-4 weeks and encounter "dozens" of cheaters. To those people it is a rampant out of control problem. To me it is only a curious anomaly. When lichess tells me I have lost to a cheater, I need to go back to the game and see what exactly was found to be cheating.
In other words, to clarify for the dense, I suspect that players who are constantly whining about cheaters are hypersensitive or jumping to conclusions. Remember, some people can play good moves without the computer's help.
And, I am impressed with the moderators who are patient and polite, bending over backwards for the whiners.
@sparowe14 , agree, especially funny when players < 2000 are complaining. I've been playing online only since 2003 and it's same complaints, i guess people don't change much. At least i hope here they get their money refunded
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