@Cedur216 said in #42:
> Way too harsh.
You're in no position to say what's right. Not how you dealt with a certain youtuber and me in a certain thread. That wasn't too harsh, was it?
The way Magnus has conveyed this isn't very satisfactory and the insinuating tweet also was unnecessary, but I agree that his dramatic exit was more reactionary and maybe was even necessary to bring it into limelight.
Chess-com also have given their evidence to Hans it seems during the tournament itself, so the possibility Hans having cheated online after 16 is realistic and that's what Magnus seems to be suggesting with 'more recently', so there is some credibility to question Hans's confession itself and if he did lie when given the chance to come clean, the public video confession will haunt him if he chooses to go the legal route.
Magnus again has only hinted that there might have been something fishy on OTB and I doubt this letter is enough for Hans to file defamation yet. Cheating for now is only with reference to online games, which is established sufficiently but pending proximity check, and from a chess standpoint that must be enough to place appropriate sanctions on him.
Same goes for Magnus for handling communications poorly, but it's understandable that he's letting emotions rule some of his actions and the nuisance of having to deal with this nonsense is causing Magnus to react as harshly as possible. Nothing more to this.
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@odoaker2015 said in #50:
> Well you are wrong, so wrong! Niemann does not have to justify himself. He doesn't have to make a statement either. Not until it's proven that he's cheating in OTB Chess. And certainly not under oath. You're twisting the most basic principles of law.
If this goes to court it's a very legitimate question. And if his reply is "I take the 5th" (which indeed is his right), that looks extremely bad. If that is the answer you're planning on you might as well not sue at all.
@odoaker2015 said in #51:
> You're in no position to say what's right. Not how you dealt with a certain youtuber and me in a certain thread. That wasn't too harsh, was it?
it was certainly not when there was a lot more stable evidence and judging by your aggressive exclamations, and the fact that cheating can never be proven in your eyes ...
Magnus seems to have a lot speaking for his matter. It's not just that Hans had a very fast elo climb - it's about how, and specific details of his games, according to Hikaru he can't analyze and explain his play, and at the same time he's super braggadocious and acting like he's the future world champion
Magnus said he in fact didn't even want to play the Sinquefield cup beforehand when Hans was invited, so I guess the discussion isn't even that much about whether Magnus was cheated in the Sinquefield cup game
But yeah, definitely get rid of people who discourage cheating Kappa
@Molurus said in #54:
> If this goes to court it's a very legitimate question. And if his reply is "I take the 5th" (which indeed is his right), that looks extremely bad.
Why does that look so bad? And who says this will be fought in American courts? And this is not a criminal court either. As long as there is no evidence, Niemann can relax. And Niemann doesn't have to prove that he didn't cheat in OTB chess either. On the contrary, the court must prove that he did and not the other way around. No one has to incriminate himself, and staying silent shouldn't be construed as an admission of guilt.
Also, Magnus Carlsen would stand trial for defamation, not Niemann. So Carlsen has to justify himself here and not Niemann. Carlsen has to answer questions here.
@Cedur216
I sincerely believe that you suffer from perceptual disorders. When asked whether the person concerned is not a false positive, you did not answer the question, but wrote an outrageous pamphlet (lampoon). Anyone can read this! I hope this is not too harsh for you!
@odoaker2015 said in #56:
> No one has to incriminate himself, and staying silent shouldn't be construed as an admission of guilt.
Staying silent on this particular matter will make his case against Carlsen extremely weak. And speaking out will pretty much amount to lying against a judge in his case.
Take your pick. You're Niemann's lawyer. What is your advice?
Why is the Lichess forum consistently so salty about everything? Not sure what the obsession with negativity on the free chess site is. Everyone here out to attack Magnus or Niemann. Give it time.
@Molurus said in #58:
> Staying silent on this particular matter will make his case against Carlsen extremely weak. And speaking out will pretty much amount to lying against a judge in his case.
How do you know that? Do you have any prove that Niemann cheated in OTB Chess? Does Carlsen have? I don't think so!
And Niemann already said that he never cheated at OTB chess. He wasn't silent at all. It's not up to him to prove that's not true or true. It is up to all those who claim that he cheated in OTB chess. They have to prove it. And Magnus in the first place. So his lawyer will have a very easy job.
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