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@pretzelattack1 What Caruana said in a long online interview was that "I do not think Hans cheated in the Sinquefield Cup"

Must've been someone else "Feeling uncomfortable"

https://www.chessdom.com/fabiano-caruana-on-carlsens-withdrawal-i-do-not-think-niemann-cheated-in-this-tournament/

@pretzelattack1 What Caruana said in a long online interview was that "I do not think Hans cheated in the Sinquefield Cup" Must've been someone else "Feeling uncomfortable" https://www.chessdom.com/fabiano-caruana-on-carlsens-withdrawal-i-do-not-think-niemann-cheated-in-this-tournament/

I noticed a slight discrepancy between the tweet screen-shot and the text version I copied and pasted from chess.com

The copied text version contains the extraneous word "that" in the following sentence:

"I believe that Niemann has cheated more — and more recently — than that he has publicly admitted."

The original tweet said, "I believe that Niemann has cheated more — and more recently — than he has publicly admitted."

I don't imagine this is an important difference, but it suggests that whoever prepared the text version made a minor typo, so it is probably more "official" to read the original tweet, than the text version.

I noticed a slight discrepancy between the tweet screen-shot and the text version I copied and pasted from chess.com The copied text version contains the extraneous word "that" in the following sentence: "I believe that Niemann has cheated more — and more recently — than that he has publicly admitted." The original tweet said, "I believe that Niemann has cheated more — and more recently — than he has publicly admitted." I don't imagine this is an important difference, but it suggests that whoever prepared the text version made a minor typo, so it is probably more "official" to read the original tweet, than the text version.

did you see the rest of the interview? he doesn't think Regan's algorithm can detect cheating well. so he doesn't know.

did you see the rest of the interview? he doesn't think Regan's algorithm can detect cheating well. so he doesn't know.

Whatever comments Niemann's grandmaster opponents have made about Hans Niemann are not necessarily evidence of anything (other than perhaps the impressions of the person speaking), but it might be interesting to compile some of the public statements by various grandmasters. Someone in this thread above mentioned that Fabiano Caruana early on expressed the belief that Niemann had not cheated at Sinquefield,

Compiling a few of those comments does not show much, but it does show that Magnus Carlsen is the only grandmaster who believes that Niemann has cheated more than Niemann has publically admitted. It is clear that Carlsen is not the only opponent of Niemann who has such suspicions. Such comments tend to undermine the conviction some have expressed, that the current world champion is upset simply because he lost to Niemann and that he is making these allegations up because he is a sore loser.

For example, Ian Nepomniachtchi more recently posted a video discussing cheating in chess, and Nepo indicates his own suspicions about Hans Niemann's performance (even before the 2022 Sinquefield Cup):
https://www.chessdom.com/ian-nepomniachtchi-i-was-unhappy-to-hear-hans-niemann-will-replace-rapport-in-sinquefield-cup/

Whatever comments Niemann's grandmaster opponents have made about Hans Niemann are not necessarily evidence of anything (other than perhaps the impressions of the person speaking), but it might be interesting to compile some of the public statements by various grandmasters. Someone in this thread above mentioned that Fabiano Caruana early on expressed the belief that Niemann had not cheated at Sinquefield, Compiling a few of those comments does not show much, but it does show that Magnus Carlsen is the only grandmaster who believes that Niemann has cheated more than Niemann has publically admitted. It is clear that Carlsen is not the only opponent of Niemann who has such suspicions. Such comments tend to undermine the conviction some have expressed, that the current world champion is upset simply because he lost to Niemann and that he is making these allegations up because he is a sore loser. For example, Ian Nepomniachtchi more recently posted a video discussing cheating in chess, and Nepo indicates his own suspicions about Hans Niemann's performance (even before the 2022 Sinquefield Cup): https://www.chessdom.com/ian-nepomniachtchi-i-was-unhappy-to-hear-hans-niemann-will-replace-rapport-in-sinquefield-cup/

Correction: Magnus Carlsen is NOT the only GM who believes Niemann has cheated more than Niemann has admitted.

Correction: Magnus Carlsen is NOT the only GM who believes Niemann has cheated more than Niemann has admitted.

I wonder what Magnus meant by "I am limited in what I can say without Nieman's explicit permission".

I wonder what Magnus meant by "I am limited in what I can say without Nieman's explicit permission".

@lizani said in #8:

  1. Once a cheater, forever a cheater. No evidence is required.

This sounds kinda fair honestly. All you need to do is avoid cheating... EVER. Doesn't sound so hard.

@lizani said in #8: > 2. Once a cheater, forever a cheater. No evidence is required. This sounds kinda fair honestly. All you need to do is avoid cheating... EVER. Doesn't sound so hard.

@VTWood said in #6:

No substance whatsoever to Carlsen's accusation. His belief is meaningless absent concrete proof that Niemann cheated otb in St. Louis.

NOTE to Carlsen: You do not need Niemann's permission to set forth factual proof that Niemann cheated otb against you.

All Carlsen has presented is supposition and suspicion. Carsen is a disgrace to his championship.

Well said! Carlsen is a disgrace. I really hoped he'd have more but basically it's - I think I'm too good for this guy ever to have beaten me with black, he didn't even look like he was sweating!!

What a joke. He's disgraced the World Championship and now this. Niemann clearly not whiter than white but Carlsen has just dragged himself down to his level as far as ethics are concerned.

@VTWood said in #6: > No substance whatsoever to Carlsen's accusation. His belief is meaningless absent concrete proof that Niemann cheated otb in St. Louis. > > NOTE to Carlsen: You do not need Niemann's permission to set forth factual proof that Niemann cheated otb against you. > > All Carlsen has presented is supposition and suspicion. Carsen is a disgrace to his championship. Well said! Carlsen is a disgrace. I really hoped he'd have more but basically it's - I think I'm too good for this guy ever to have beaten me with black, he didn't even look like he was sweating!! What a joke. He's disgraced the World Championship and now this. Niemann clearly not whiter than white but Carlsen has just dragged himself down to his level as far as ethics are concerned.
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@pretzelattack1 said in #16:

I wonder what Magnus meant by "I am limited in what I can say without Nieman's explicit permission".

I can imagine that when Niemann and Carlsen met in Florida and were playing blitz on the beach, Niemann was star struck and reveeled things for Magnus that he now regrets. This would fit well with what Caruana said on the podcast that Carlsen felt very uncomfortable as soon he found out that Niemann would be playing Sinquefield. He went from being Niemann’s pal in Florida to seeing him as a cheater before they had even played.

@pretzelattack1 said in #16: > I wonder what Magnus meant by "I am limited in what I can say without Nieman's explicit permission". I can imagine that when Niemann and Carlsen met in Florida and were playing blitz on the beach, Niemann was star struck and reveeled things for Magnus that he now regrets. This would fit well with what Caruana said on the podcast that Carlsen felt very uncomfortable as soon he found out that Niemann would be playing Sinquefield. He went from being Niemann’s pal in Florida to seeing him as a cheater before they had even played.

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