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Do cheaters get another account on Lichess if they admit to it like chess.com?

#1

Im probably gonna leave the antiquated site chess.com, not just because it looks like online chess in the 90s or because of the pop ups but because of the policy that has been highlighted during the Hans Niemann scandal being that if you admit to cheating you will be given another account. I realize that a person could do this on their own anyways but it feels like this is contributing to the problem instead of trying to solve it (not that it can be solved). Just curious if Lichess has the same absurd policy, really hoping they dont.

Im probably gonna leave the antiquated site chess.com, not just because it looks like online chess in the 90s or because of the pop ups but because of the policy that has been highlighted during the Hans Niemann scandal being that if you admit to cheating you will be given another account. I realize that a person could do this on their own anyways but it feels like this is contributing to the problem instead of trying to solve it (not that it can be solved). Just curious if Lichess has the same absurd policy, really hoping they dont.
#3

I'm not a huge chess[.]com fan either.

I agree with what you said OP, but for me it's not just about second-chance accounts. The Hans Niemann scandal showed a pattern (with emails as proof) of chess[.]com shielding GMs, professional players, who they caught cheating. Why were professionals at chess given second or even third or fourth chances? When any non-professional gets only a second chance? That feels backwards to me

I'm not a huge chess[.]com fan either. I agree with what you said OP, but for me it's not just about second-chance accounts. The Hans Niemann scandal showed a pattern (with emails as proof) of chess[.]com shielding GMs, professional players, who they caught cheating. Why were professionals at chess given second or even third or fourth chances? When any non-professional gets only a second chance? That feels backwards to me
#4

the appeals option for players should exist because mistakes can of course happen as rare as they might be with anti cheating software nowadays but my question is simply does lichess also have the same policy as chess.com in giving 'admitted' cheaters another account. No one seems to know whether this is the case or not.

the appeals option for players should exist because mistakes can of course happen as rare as they might be with anti cheating software nowadays but my question is simply does lichess also have the same policy as chess.com in giving 'admitted' cheaters another account. No one seems to know whether this is the case or not.
#5

The lichess mods decide by their discretion if they allow a new account (admission of guilt is rare enough, I guess) and maybe they allow it after a cooldown period of e.g. 6 months

The lichess mods decide by their discretion if they allow a new account (admission of guilt is rare enough, I guess) and maybe they allow it after a cooldown period of e.g. 6 months
#6

the only ban lichess has full control over is on a lichess account, not a person.

they can tell a person they are banned, they can tell a person they can't create a new account, but there's no way for lichess to enforce it. the banned person can create a new account and with a little knowledge, lichess won't know it's them.

i don't worry about cheaters. I can't remember the last time I reported someone for cheating. occasionally I suspect someone but if I'm bothered and analyse the game, i see we both blundered every second move and it was my blunder that caused me to lose, not an engine move that caused me to lose.

the only ban lichess has full control over is on a lichess account, not a person. they can tell a person they are banned, they can tell a person they can't create a new account, but there's no way for lichess to enforce it. the banned person can create a new account and with a little knowledge, lichess won't know it's them. i don't worry about cheaters. I can't remember the last time I reported someone for cheating. occasionally I suspect someone but if I'm bothered and analyse the game, i see we both blundered every second move and it was my blunder that caused me to lose, not an engine move that caused me to lose.
#7

@Fischerfan10 said in #3:

I'm not a huge chess[.]com fan either.

I agree with what you said OP, but for me it's not just about second-chance accounts. The Hans Niemann scandal showed a pattern (with emails as proof) of chess[.]com shielding GMs, professional players, who they caught cheating. Why were professionals at chess given second or even third or fourth chances? When any non-professional gets only a second chance? That feels backwards to me
Wait are u sure? didn't know that lol.
I use both sites, but I use chess.com for most of my rated games since its rating system is a lot more accurate
I use lichess to analyze games, forums, do puzzles, etc.

@Fischerfan10 said in #3: > I'm not a huge chess[.]com fan either. > > I agree with what you said OP, but for me it's not just about second-chance accounts. The Hans Niemann scandal showed a pattern (with emails as proof) of chess[.]com shielding GMs, professional players, who they caught cheating. Why were professionals at chess given second or even third or fourth chances? When any non-professional gets only a second chance? That feels backwards to me Wait are u sure? didn't know that lol. I use both sites, but I use chess.com for most of my rated games since its rating system is a lot more accurate I use lichess to analyze games, forums, do puzzles, etc.
#8

well, Lichess' ban evasion detection is not as bad as you'd guess

well, Lichess' ban evasion detection is not as bad as you'd guess
#9

@czechpirc said in #1:

if you admit to cheating you will be given another account.
So you don't believe in repentance and the possibility of forgiveness?

@Fischerfan10 said in #3:

I agree with what you said OP, but for me it's not just about second-chance accounts. The Hans Niemann scandal showed a pattern (with emails as proof) of chess[.]com shielding GMs, professional players, who they caught cheating. Why were professionals at chess given second or even third or fourth chances? When any non-professional gets only a second chance?
The only difference I could tell was that professionals usually get silent bans, whereas a normal member's account gets closed with a fair play violation. I didn't see any evidence of professionals getting third or fourth chances.

@czechpirc said in #1: > if you admit to cheating you will be given another account. So you don't believe in repentance and the possibility of forgiveness? @Fischerfan10 said in #3: > I agree with what you said OP, but for me it's not just about second-chance accounts. The Hans Niemann scandal showed a pattern (with emails as proof) of chess[.]com shielding GMs, professional players, who they caught cheating. Why were professionals at chess given second or even third or fourth chances? When any non-professional gets only a second chance? The only difference I could tell was that professionals usually get silent bans, whereas a normal member's account gets closed with a fair play violation. I didn't see any evidence of professionals getting third or fourth chances.

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