The case of Parham Maghsoodloo will give you a hint on Lichess policy, maybe Parham has a 2nd account though.
The case of Parham Maghsoodloo will give you a hint on Lichess policy, maybe Parham has a 2nd account though.
The case of Parham Maghsoodloo will give you a hint on Lichess policy, maybe Parham has a 2nd account though.
@Nomoreusernames said in #20:
A single GM? What about Carlsen, Nakamura and Naroditsky, all of them have cheated on video. Magnus has cheated multiple times! The president of Norway's chess federation has admitted cheating in online chess. One of the players cheated as a kid, the rest were all adults who should have known better!
I would advise about differentiating between cheating (using an engine) and account sharing or receiving hints from a friend for a couple of games. People see the word "cheating" and jump at wrong conclusions very fast and then misinformation spreads.
Still, not a good look for Lichess.
@Deadban said in #22:
I would advise about differentiating between cheating (using an engine) and account sharing or receiving hints from a friend for a couple of games.
from the TOS
Do not cheat or receive assistance in games (from a chess computer, book, database or another person)
It's against the TOS to receive hints from another person. I call it cheating, and magnus calls it cheating, even though the TOS summary appears to differentiate between cheating and receiving assistance. They could probably firm up that wording to match what they say in the TOS below.
Cheating - We prohibit the use of any external assistance used whilst a game you are involved in is ongoing, which has the effect of improving your knowledge, calculation ability, or otherwise gives you an unfair advantage over your opponent. Examples of cheating include, but are not limited to, using a chess engine, opening books, endgame tablebases, and receiving move recommendations from another person or software (including human commenters whilst streaming or social media services), and certain software or extensions at our discretion.
From what I saw and remember of the magnus videos, it appeared to be accidental, but, magnus was aware it was cheating and called himself a cheat.
I'm just saying that cheating and account sharing are two different things. If you cheat by using an engine you get banned for engine assistance, while if you share your account (like in the Magnus video) you get banned for rating manipulation.
I'm not saying that account sharing is not a violation.
I'm just saying that cheating and account sharing are two different things
not exactly, you said more than that.
I would advise about differentiating between cheating (using an engine) and account sharing or receiving hints from a friend for a couple of games.
the bit after "or"
and I don't agree. the TOS labels "any external assistance...include, but are not limited to...receiving move recommendations from another person" as cheating.
cheating (using an engine)
whereas you limit cheating to using an engine. That's different to the definition of cheating used by chess sites and chess organisations.
@Deadban said in #22:
I would advise about differentiating between cheating (using an engine) and account sharing or receiving hints from a friend for a couple of games. People see the word "cheating" and jump at wrong conclusions very fast and then misinformation spreads.
Really? Let's see:
"Cheating - We prohibit the use of any external assistance used whilst a game you are involved in is ongoing, which has the effect of improving your knowledge, calculation ability, or otherwise gives you an unfair advantage over your opponent. Examples of cheating include, but are not limited to, using a chess engine, opening books, endgame tablebases, and receiving move recommendations from another person or software (including human commenters whilst streaming or social media services), and certain software or extensions at our discretion." (Fair Play and Community Guidelines - https://lichess.org/terms-of-service)
That should actually be enough to refute your statement. What Carlsen and others are doing is clearly cheating. It's been caught on video several times. This is not misinformation or a misuse of the word cheating. Carlsen has, without ever providing evidence (proof), claimed Niemann cheats otb. And here there is clearly video evidence (proof) against Carlsen and others.
If you take the Tos this literally, then any streamer gets banned sooner or later once they get BSG from their chat.
Don't fall for the anti-Carlsen propaganda (especially if you don't monitor General Chess Discussion and never saw it before).
Lichess staff reserves the discretion to not ban people for a single joke or prank, and it's perfectly common sense that they tolerate a bit of fun. Or even agree that Magnus streams with guests when he makes an extra new account for it.
And of course, Magnus reacts sarcastically of the situation himself (like, you see he doesn't enjoy that).
There has never been a plot of Magnus to intentionally rig on other players (other than former NSF president), and any of the involved opponents like Naroditsky doesn't even feel they got rigged, and any sane person watching the videos knows the context.
Funnily, some haters even say "Magnus cheated 7-10 times like that" when I only know 2 or 3 videos in question.
This mispropaganda from Carlsen haters and pro-Niemanns is just as perfiduous as Russia's propaganda of "Ukraine's nazi regime"
What a bs!
@Cedur216 said in #28:
Funnily, some haters even say "Magnus cheated 7-10 times like that" when I only know 2 or 3 videos in question.
This is not a refutation. Just because you know only 2 or 3 cases doesn't mean that those are the only cases. And once again you are subject to logical fallacies, as so often. And your previous post is pure bs.
And even if you only know 2 or 3 cases, it's still cheating!
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