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Do cheaters get another account on Lichess if they admit to it like chess.com?

Are cheaters allowed to do this? It depends. I've heard tell of lichess admins granting permission after the first offense if they feel that an apology is genuine, but, having never cheated or been marked for cheating myself, I can't verify that this really happens. And to all those pointing out the TOS, the "discretion" clause allows lichess staff to pretty much do what they want, including the granting of permission (or the refusal of permission) to make another account, even if it directly contradicts with lichess ToS.

Do cheaters make new accounts? Most definitely. Part of the drawback of making lichess so user friendly is that it's incredibly easy to make new accounts. Mods do have ways of preventing cheaters from returning, but the payoff of blackballing a single non-serial cheater is so low relative to the effort necessary to do this that it's probably not worth it. Note that this isn't necessarily contingent on apologizing. 'Tis easier to refuse blame than accept it, especially when there is no real difference in procedure.

Are cheaters allowed to do this? It depends. I've heard tell of lichess admins granting permission after the first offense if they feel that an apology is genuine, but, having never cheated or been marked for cheating myself, I can't verify that this really happens. And to all those pointing out the TOS, the "discretion" clause allows lichess staff to pretty much do what they want, including the granting of permission (or the refusal of permission) to make another account, even if it directly contradicts with lichess ToS. Do cheaters make new accounts? Most definitely. Part of the drawback of making lichess so user friendly is that it's incredibly easy to make new accounts. Mods do have ways of preventing cheaters from returning, but the payoff of blackballing a single non-serial cheater is so low relative to the effort necessary to do this that it's probably not worth it. Note that this isn't necessarily contingent on apologizing. 'Tis easier to refuse blame than accept it, especially when there is no real difference in procedure.

@clousems said in #31:

And to all those pointing out the TOS, the "discretion" clause allows lichess staff to pretty much do what they want, including the granting of permission (or the refusal of permission) to make another account, even if it directly contradicts with lichess ToS.

did someone say otherwise? I was just getting the definition of cheating. I said nothing about banning.

Mods do have ways of preventing cheaters from returning,

nothing that can't be circumvented with a little knowledge. sounds like you don't have the knowledge, but many do.

@clousems said in #31: > And to all those pointing out the TOS, the "discretion" clause allows lichess staff to pretty much do what they want, including the granting of permission (or the refusal of permission) to make another account, even if it directly contradicts with lichess ToS. did someone say otherwise? I was just getting the definition of cheating. I said nothing about banning. > Mods do have ways of preventing cheaters from returning, nothing that can't be circumvented with a little knowledge. sounds like you don't have the knowledge, but many do.

well staff tries all they can to prevent alts and evasion. It's sort of a battle, like cheat detection itself lol

well staff tries all they can to prevent alts and evasion. It's sort of a battle, like cheat detection itself lol

@h2b2 said in #32:

did someone say otherwise? I was just getting the definition of cheating. I said nothing about banning.
I was speaking rhetorically (which is why I answered my own question a little earlier. If I'm addressing something someone else says, I use the quote button).
nothing that can't be circumvented with a little knowledge. sounds like you don't have the knowledge, but many do.
You're right that I have very little knowledge about this. I do know that lichess does have tools to prevent ban evading. I can't speak to the efficacy of these tools, nor that of the counters. I just know that tools do exist.

@h2b2 said in #32: > did someone say otherwise? I was just getting the definition of cheating. I said nothing about banning. I was speaking rhetorically (which is why I answered my own question a little earlier. If I'm addressing something someone else says, I use the quote button). > nothing that can't be circumvented with a little knowledge. sounds like you don't have the knowledge, but many do. You're right that I have very little knowledge about this. I do know that lichess does have tools to prevent ban evading. I can't speak to the efficacy of these tools, nor that of the counters. I just know that tools do exist.

@Cedur216 said in #28:

There has never been a plot of Magnus to intentionally rig on other players (other than former NSF president),
Magnus intentionally rigged game he played on Johan Salomon's account against Jan Gustasfsson, which he acknowledges on video! This is Jan's response after the game, just so people can see the impact cheating has on their targets:
https://www.youtube.com/clip/UgkxccsaqHsgfCclq_aH1O7igkcL0s_-HuLO

and any of the involved opponents like Naroditsky doesn't even feel they got rigged, and any sane person watching the videos knows the context.
You are talking about a different time Carlsen cheated, and Naroditsky is also not squeeky clean, at least he has self-awareness.

This mispropaganda from Carlsen haters and pro-Niemanns is just as perfiduous as Russia's propaganda of "Ukraine's nazi regime"
@Cedur216 nobody has called Magnus a Nazi, they have only shown videos of Magnus Carlsen cheating. How can you be upset with people who are sharing the truth? Which reminds me, the forum is still waiting for you to denounce the cheating that Magnus Carlsen has committed, are you ready yet or are you still trying to hide from the truth?

@Cedur216 said in #28: > There has never been a plot of Magnus to intentionally rig on other players (other than former NSF president), Magnus intentionally rigged game he played on Johan Salomon's account against Jan Gustasfsson, which he acknowledges on video! This is Jan's response after the game, just so people can see the impact cheating has on their targets: https://www.youtube.com/clip/UgkxccsaqHsgfCclq_aH1O7igkcL0s_-HuLO >and any of the involved opponents like Naroditsky doesn't even feel they got rigged, and any sane person watching the videos knows the context. You are talking about a different time Carlsen cheated, and Naroditsky is also not squeeky clean, at least he has self-awareness. > This mispropaganda from Carlsen haters and pro-Niemanns is just as perfiduous as Russia's propaganda of "Ukraine's nazi regime" @Cedur216 nobody has called Magnus a Nazi, they have only shown videos of Magnus Carlsen cheating. How can you be upset with people who are sharing the truth? Which reminds me, the forum is still waiting for you to denounce the cheating that Magnus Carlsen has committed, are you ready yet or are you still trying to hide from the truth?

Too often here when I'm in a winning position my opponent will disappear for a long time, returning will fast, stellar moves. I think Lichess should detect sequential 2nd or 3rd best moves from an engine in comparison to a player's rating, especially from low rated players like myself. Lichess is good at timing out a player who runs out the clock (as I've done when frustrated by the pattern above), but that wouldn't be difficult for the devs, as compared to the more nuanced engine moves v. player's rating.

Too often here when I'm in a winning position my opponent will disappear for a long time, returning will fast, stellar moves. I think Lichess should detect sequential 2nd or 3rd best moves from an engine in comparison to a player's rating, especially from low rated players like myself. Lichess is good at timing out a player who runs out the clock (as I've done when frustrated by the pattern above), but that wouldn't be difficult for the devs, as compared to the more nuanced engine moves v. player's rating.
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