FIDE Chess.com Grand Swiss Will Proceed Despite Lockdown in Latvia

@makumazahn said in #58:

All of that sounds like a biased take on really good policies. Good for Latvia.

Get vaccinated.

"good policies"

let's look at facts

1. vaccination doesn't prevent infection, doesn't prevent spread from the vaccinated person - it was never claimed to, there are certain unproven claims that it reduces spread, currently there is no proof for that, no emprical proof or otherways (look at Singapore at their nearly best vaccination rate in the world and how they are doing with covid spread) - some current research indicates that vaccinated and unvaccinated spread the virus at equal rate - at the very best vaccination does a very poor job at controling spread, and that's simply a fact now (thus the argument of vaccination preventing spread of virus fails)

2. vaccinate to reduce pressure on health system - if we discount vaccination side effects on health system, and they do appear to be way more common than reported, then we are left with facts that vast majority of unvaccinated people who get admitted in hospital with covid (or test positive later) are seniors, in my country only 6% of admitted covid patients are younger than 40, so you could make an argument how older people should be vaccinated, however there is contradictory data on how much vaccination reduces covid hospitalizations in older age bracket, as in most places and countries there is either zero or reduced covid testing on vaccinated patients (I am younger than 40 so this argument against me fails as well)

so if vaccination doesn't reduce spread, and if younger unvaccinated people don't create significant pressure on health system if they catch covid, so what are we left with for calling these policies "good"

well the only explanation is that they could be "good" on certain political or idealogical level - say against someone who is non-conformist or doesn't support the covid alarmism, meaning that you want the death of your political or idealogical enemies on whatever level that is, then I can truly and fully call you my mortal enemy, because that's who you are, people have fought wars, killed each other, commited atrocities, genocides etc. for thousands of years, that's unfortunately how it is - nothing has changed today, only methods are slightly different

Yep, this covid should go and normal life should start. I am waiting for corona to go.

Yeah Just one plus me on this whole lockdown curfew is unacceptable thing.

We can't have back to normal unless we're going to be normal about it,
2 years no progress this is propaganda or some new healthcrsis we don't know about in any case
I'm done giving the term covid any weight it's something, there is some treatment for it, move on.

If you still let it dominate your life without realizing governments and media outlets are the ones doing that then I salute your abyss.

ooof

Hikaru makes more money streaming on twitch, why bother play any tournaments anymore haha.

is there any player canceling because governments incentifies people to behave like sheeps ?

@the_providence said in #59:

thanks for outing yourself as supporter of genocide of a group of people

No, requiring vaccines is not genocide. Read a history book for clarification if necessary. I'm firmly in support of eliminating disease and suffering. Refusing the vaccines makes more people die and suffer. Taking the vaccines reduces death and suffering. It's really not complicated.

@the_providence said in #61:

"good policies"

let's look at facts

1. vaccination doesn't prevent infection, doesn't prevent spread from the vaccinated person -
2. vaccinate to reduce pressure on health system -

Vaccination does prevent infection, in about 92% of cases. It's not 100%, nothing in medicine is. But they are really good. Also, unvaccinated people who get sick are about four times more likely to spread the disease than vaccinated people who get sick.

Reducing the amount of sick people also reduces pressure on the health system. I work in a health system, and we are currently canceling cancer surgeries, bypass surgeries, cardiac valve surgeries, the list goes on. People are actively dying, and I’ve seen it happen, because they can’t get a bed because all the beds are taken up by unvaccinated COVID patients. Something like 30% of people who recover from coronavirus disease have long-term effects, and I know at least one patient who may need a heart transplant because COVID destroyed his heart. He's in his 20s.

Seriously, just get the vaccine.

@makumazahn said in #67:

No, requiring vaccines is not genocide. Read a history book for clarification if necessary. I'm firmly in support of eliminating disease and suffering. Refusing the vaccines makes more people die and suffer. Taking the vaccines reduces death and suffering. It's really not complicated.

that's called gaslighting - I described the condition in my country which is not that dissimilar to what national socialists did in Germany to certain groups of people, and other known instances of genocide in the world history
They are impeding medical treatement to unvaccinated, taking away their source of income, forcing unvaccinated school children to wear mask while vaccinated need not to (despite there being zero children covid deaths in Latvia). They are bullying unvaccinated on news media, on goverment conferences. Threatening them with more restrictions despite unvaccinated pretty much only allowed to go to small grocery stores, and only work from home (though by new law employer is still given carte blanche to fire unvaccinated no matter the circumstances without any kind of state sanctioned employee protection).
Peoples medical freedom and right to refuse medical treatement is literally being taken away. People are not allowed to make up their own mind regarding medical treatement.
And you called all those measures "good" like a gaslighting troll that you are. I shudder to think patients being treated by person like you - but actually it doesn't surprise me at all, the few times I've been in hospital in my life I've met with unprovoked aggression and mockery from certain medical staff, even once after I suffered a bad crash and could have died I was being mocked by nurse as I struggled in agony of pain. And she mocked me later on as well, other staff just treated me with contempt, but at least didn't openly mock.

The vaccines do not eliminate covid - that's just pure lies. Look up Singapore third highest vaccination rate in the world (mainly by the MRNA vaccines). They were never alleged to even - that's just one of common lies about this whole thing, that spread and was never properly challanged. These vaccines were only meant to reduce or eliminate covid symtpoms, not prevent infection or spread.

@makumazahn said in #68:

Vaccination does prevent infection, in about 92% of cases. It's not 100%, nothing in medicine is. But they are really good. Also, unvaccinated people who get sick are about four times more likely to spread the disease than vaccinated people who get sick.

Reducing the amount of sick people also reduces pressure on the health system. I work in a health system, and we are currently canceling cancer surgeries, bypass surgeries, cardiac valve surgeries, the list goes on. People are actively dying, and I’ve seen it happen, because they can’t get a bed because all the beds are taken up by unvaccinated COVID patients. Something like 30% of people who recover from coronavirus disease have long-term effects, and I know at least one patient who may need a heart transplant because COVID destroyed his heart. He's in his 20s.

Seriously, just get the vaccine.

"Seriously, just get the vaccine."

so you think that your gaslighting, lying, and contemptuous attitude is going to increase my willingness to take any of these half baked rushed and forced vaccines? Most probably you aren't that dumb. Rather you just say it for the troll effect - as a form of mockery, which further reveals what person you actually are.

"Vaccination does prevent infection, in about 92%"
What does this even mean? That was some initial figure which has since been refuted. In my country which now has 54% or so vaccinated we are now geting a third or more of positive cases among vaccinated each day. And that despite vaccinated not having to undergo mandatory testing almost anywhere. By some goverment leaked data at the end of august vaccinated were only 2% of the tested.
This is completely fallacious, errounous number that you stated there. No connection to reality whatsoever.

"unvaccinated people who get sick are about four times more likely to spread the disease than vaccinated people who get sick"
lies again, can you state the study which confirms this?
I recently read study which states that the number is closer to equal spread from both vaccinated and unvaccinated.
Some data suggests vaccinated are actually spreading it more.

" I work in a health system, and we are currently canceling cancer surgeries, bypass surgeries, cardiac valve surgeries, the list goes on."
So why are you cancelling surgeries. What's the logic? Do surgeons work on covid patients or something. Do you use operation rooms for housing covid patients?
What treatement are you giving to covid patients when none exists, besides the oxygen mask, which could be just distributed by goverment to house (and some countries notably Sweden is already doing that), or the good for nothing ventilators (which is but an euthanasia machine given that vast majority of people who were put on it die anyway, and those who recover end up disabled anyway, not to mention pneumothorax and all the other complications that they often create).
Vast majority of true covid patients are elderly, and those who are not are typically in hospital not because of covid but because of other chronic diseases that they have. Human immune system weakens as they get older thuse really old people tend to have inreased chance to catch pneuonia from viral infections, which is indeed a quite deadly disease, those who are not immunosuppressed or elderly are highly unlikely to catch pneumonia from covid, and those who do catch were just as likely to catch it from flu or number of other ailments. Pneumonia isn't just this nightmarish disease that only appearead when covid came around, it was with us all the time and was indeed known as quite the killer of elderly. Flu has all but disappeared magically around the world, it was now replaced by covid. All I see is goverment induced depression, desperation, medical neglect and financial collapse indeed leading to increasingly phsyically and mentally ill society and increasing hospitalizations.

please read this study on the spike protein which we were told was a 'harmless protein' that these vaccines contain or produce:
https://www.mdpi.com/1999-4915/13/10/2056/htm

numerous scientific studies have since shown it to be perhaps the main driver of illness
these vaccines are not safe