Has anyone else seen the video of trump and zelensky argument??

@clousems said in #7:
> I honestly wonder if this is because Trump’s ego is hurt after getting schooled by Macron. It wouldn’t look good for that to happen twice in a week.
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> I was a little surprised by Vance’s role in all this. Vance tends to be a lot more reasonable in discussions, but he was certainly an instigator.

It is because Trump and Vance stand with Putin's Russia and wanted to humiliate Zelensky in public.

No need to look for explanations or make excuses.

It's funny that some consider what is happening to be a betrayal of Ukraine. How can you betray a shovel or any other tool? Do you really think that someone in the US and EU authorities is worried about the fate of the people of Ukraine? Zelensky will be flushed down the toilet, someone else will be put in his place, and under the guise of efforts to resolve problems peacefully, they will continue to benefit from the destroyed Ukraine and lead the Russian elites by the nose in a friendly way (many of them will be very happy about this) in order to get as much as possible from Russia. This is happening today and has happened many times before.

Well it is not really funny.
it seems to me that many people in the West perceive this as a confrontation between Voldemort and Harry Potter or something like that. There is nothing simple about what is happening now.

You guys know why Russia–Ukraine war even started?

It’s because Ukraine joined NATO, and before, was a neutral country. Russia is angry that Ukraine joined NATO. So the war was declared.
And since this war started, Finland and Sweden, who were neutral countries, joined NATO to support Ukraine!

Weird story to start a war.

@CCAK0123456789 said in #24:
> You guys know why Russia–Ukraine war even started?

Yes. Because Putin wants to restore the old Soviet Union and revert the independence of the former Soviet Republics.

> It’s because Ukraine joined NATO

Oh, really? When exactly did that happen? (Spoiler: It didn't.)

> Russia is angry that Ukraine joined NATO.

A NATO membership of Ukraine was not even on the table before Russia decided to invade them and let their soldiers commit countless atrocities. Ever heard of Bucha? Ever heard of Irpin?

> And since this war started, Finland and Sweden, who were neutral countries, joined NATO to support Ukraine!

Ask yourself why that is. Could the Ukraine invasion be a warning to those two other neutral countries at the border of Russia?

> Weird story to start a war.

Weird attempt to rewrite history.

At the June 2021 Brussels summit, NATO leaders reiterated the decision taken at the 2008 Bucharest Summit that Ukraine would become a member of the Alliance with the NATO MAP as an integral part of the process and Ukraine's right to determine its own future and foreign policy course without outside interference.

I thought Russia Ukraine war started in 2021

@KNIGHT_c4 said in #6:
> Zelensky is used to getting rimmed by the democrats.
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> Homey Trump don't play that.
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@what_game_is_this said in #20:
> Russia will betray him
"Therefore I say that it is a narrow policy to suppose that this country or that is to be marked out as the eternal ally or the perpetual enemy of England. We have no eternal allies, and we have no perpetual enemies. Our interests are eternal and perpetual, and those interests it is our duty to follow."
Henry John Temple, 3rd Viscount of Palmerston

Russia guaranteed the Ukraine safety and territorial integrity for giving up their nuclear weapons. 2014 this was forgotten and Russia took Crimea by force.

You cannot trust dictator Putin. Trump joined the axis of evil.

Does really anyone believe this will have a benefit for the US? Trump is the undertaker of the US as we know it. And this won‘t be good for the US people ofc.