@Dukedog said in #16:
> It was a good speech imo. Dems were rather amusing with their silly little signs. Hope Al Green had a nice little walk.
You don't mention MTG's appalling behaviour during Biden's address in 23, calling the President repeatedly a lier and
ignoring the dress code of the House?
Hypocrisy!
Freedom of Speech under MAGA is like
"MAGA-Republicans speak - Democrats, Independents and moderate Republicans shut up!
Just as it is generally in this time: For my friends everything, for my enemies the laws.
The problem is, MAGA guys cannot look in a mirror without missing their spine.., and cannot answer their kids' and grandkids' questions when they'll ask once a day, what have YOU done, to avoid all that mess and to save our freedom?
You do paint with a broad brush in assuming Maga manical hats on all. I don't happen to agree with everything Trump does btw.
Let me turn the question around. What have You done?
Resorting to personal attacks does seem to be a common feature of so many political posts in the forum.
Very few Republicans shouted "liar" during a Biden speech. And I do not support such shouts, either.
Last night, it was far more than a few Democrats who seemed less than reasonable to me. But moving on:
This might be an interesting thread to follow up on my own suggestion, made in a different recent post, to check which political side seems have those posters who most frequently rely upon insult and name-calling. I checked the posts above and did, indeed, seem to see a growingly familiar pattern in that regard. But I won't state it, since it's best for others to be able to determine such matters on their own, scientifically, by simply counting, without my influence.
When I count, I don't count gentle humor. I only count genuinely provocative, genuinely insulting language. It's an interesting, possibly eye-opening exercise to actually look and keep track. And usually, the political preferences of those who use such language don't seem too hard to determine, merely by noticing what else they say.
I have long believed that insult and name-calling are a tool used by some when gentler, more convincing argument has not been easy to find. I don't mind gentle humor, even at my own expense. But some disparaging language isn't all that funny. It just seems angry and insulting.
I don't find it persuasive, although when I find it directed against me or those I support, I often find it reassuring. It suggests to me that I will not be facing much persuasive counterargument or many inconvenient facts.
To end this, let me say that -- apparently like @Dukedog -- I don't agree with Trump about everything. But it's rare to find utter and complete agreement between any two individuals. We all make mistakes, and it certainly might be me who is mistaken.
Yet many of Trump's impulses seem necessary and long overdue. And he's only been in office for about six weeks: let's wait and see how this develops. The last four years were no picnic, in my humble estimation. A bit of patience with attempts to change seems warranted in their aftermath.
Any attempt to claim, as some seem to do over and over, that Trump only cares for "billionaires," should ask themselves -- is the income of "billionaires" significantly dependent upon their income from "tips" or "overtime" or "social security?" -- you know, the things Trump apparently hopes to FREE from federal income tax?
And which federal income tax bracket got the largest percentage reduction from Trump's last attempts at tax-cutting? Those who assume it was the highest bracket might wish to actually check!
And which American party got the most money from "billionaires" (and those entities they support or control) in the last election and the preceding Congressional cycle? It's probably best to find out, before making too many angry declarations.
@Dukedog said in #32:
> You do paint with a broad brush in assuming Maga manical hats on all. I don't happen to agree with everything Trump does btw.
> Let me turn the question around. What have You done?
> Resorting to personal attacks does seem to be a common feature of so many political posts in the forum.
It's not my intention, to personal attack you. I apologize, if you feel that way.
I'm well aware, that there are many moderate conservative minds around here and elsewhere, who welcome some
parts of MAGA's agenda and policies. But in order to find the right conclusion about whether Trump's
political visions and actions would be harmful to the US, or actually serving the US, I need to weigh up both sides of the coin.
And the other side isn't pretty, both in words and in actions. Trump & Co's "name calling" is unacceptable just as well
their inhumane actions are reckless. Let alone the dozens of lies, daily dropped by Trump, Musk & Co.
That's what I do, to remind all participants, to recognize and mention both sides of the coin, the whole picture of MAGA.
If I find something good in Trump's action, I will praise it. But so far, sorry, there's nothing.
same to you, @Noflaps
@da_loser
Thank you,I can appreciate your viewpoint.
@Cheshire_the_Maomao said : Something?
I agree with Trump he will do wonders for this contrey and his good hairdo.
I've decided to rescind this post and write instead:
Get ready for Saint Patrick's Day! Go green!
Leprechauns unite!
I couldn’t listen Trump addressing the Congres yesterday. Did he receive a warm ovation for joining Russia and North Korea against Ukraine at the United Nation?
@Noflaps said in #33:
> Any attempt to claim, as some seem to do over and over, that Trump only cares for "billionaires," should ask themselves -- is the income of "billionaires" significantly dependent upon their income from "tips" or "overtime" or "social security?" -- you know, the things Trump apparently hopes to FREE from federal income tax?
>
> And which federal income tax bracket got the largest percentage reduction from Trump's last attempts at tax-cutting? Those who assume it was the highest bracket might wish to actually check!
>
> And which American party got the most money from "billionaires" (and those entities they support or control) in the last election and the preceding Congressional cycle? It's probably best to find out, before making too many angry declarations.
If you don't have facts or details, what you want me to say?
But it's alright, I don't need to fight off every false claim or at least every presumption without appropriate context.
Keep in mind:
Biden didn't win the 2020 election, because he was the better candidate, but because Trump was such a bad president!
And Trump didn't win the 2024 election, because he was the better alternative, but Biden was so bad on the border issue!
It was Harris, who paid the price with a significant defeat, as she was unfortunately Biden's Vice.
I didn't ask you to "say" anything, @daloser.
You are free, however, to look into the facts. You might find them surprising, if you do! I've ACTUALLY checked the brackets I referenced, for example.
And as for as Trump being "such a bad president," you are welcome to your opinion. My memory of Trump's first term is still fresh -- and until Covid hit (which was hardly Trump's fault), many Democrats had the uneasy feeling that he would be unbeatable for a second term.
Turns out that, in the long run, they were right!
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