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@luchachess said in #29:

But if the glasses are mine, i can do it on purpose. Your analogy doesn't work because i am not dropping someone else's glasses but mine which i have a right to do.
Time is not a materialistic thing like a glass. You can use it, but you can't own it. Like you use roads, footpaths, parks etc. You must understand that the time you use to think and move is also free to be used by your opponent to think. By not resigning (and not moving) in a hopeless position you'd just waste everyone's time.

Just because something happens a lot doesn't logically mean it's happening on purpose.
"Happens a lot" and "happens lot often" are two different things. Ofcourse one can break lot of cutlery in their lifetime without any reasonable suspicion but if they do it once everyday, it's not normal. Even so, using all of your time for thinking on one move isn't something that happens "a lot".

@luchachess said in #30:

Correct he wouldnt make me move because its my time, thats the point of the example.
No, AsDaGo meant that he won't make you move if there was no reasonable suspicion that you might be just wasting time by stretching the game instead of resigning, or getting checkmated.

@luchachess said in #29: > But if the glasses are mine, i can do it on purpose. Your analogy doesn't work because i am not dropping someone else's glasses but mine which i have a right to do. Time is not a materialistic thing like a glass. You can use it, but you can't own it. Like you use roads, footpaths, parks etc. You must understand that the time you use to think and move is also free to be used by your opponent to think. By not resigning (and not moving) in a hopeless position you'd just waste everyone's time. > Just because something happens a lot doesn't logically mean it's happening on purpose. "Happens a lot" and "happens lot often" are two different things. Ofcourse one can break lot of cutlery in their lifetime without any reasonable suspicion but if they do it once everyday, it's not normal. Even so, using all of your time for thinking on one move isn't something that happens "a lot". @luchachess said in #30: > Correct he wouldnt make me move because its my time, thats the point of the example. No, AsDaGo meant that he won't make you move if there was no reasonable suspicion that you might be just wasting time by stretching the game instead of resigning, or getting checkmated.

Before posting any further @luchachess, i recommend you read some existing discussions on this topic:

https://lichess.org/forum/general-chess-discussion/warning-letting-time-run-out-instead-of-resigning-will-result-in-a-temporary-ban-2
https://lichess.org/forum/lichess-feedback/warning-letting-time-run-out-
https://lichess.org/forum/lichess-feedback/i-used-to-let-time-run-out-on-purpose-but-now-i-have-a-solution-to-the-problem
https://lichess.org/forum/lichess-feedback/warning-letting-time-run-out-instead-of-resigning-will-result-in-a-temporary-ban-2
Once you've finished reading come back and tell what you learnt. And, if you might still be unsure, tell me. I'll post more ;)

Before posting any further @luchachess, i recommend you read some existing discussions on this topic: https://lichess.org/forum/general-chess-discussion/warning-letting-time-run-out-instead-of-resigning-will-result-in-a-temporary-ban-2 https://lichess.org/forum/lichess-feedback/warning-letting-time-run-out- https://lichess.org/forum/lichess-feedback/i-used-to-let-time-run-out-on-purpose-but-now-i-have-a-solution-to-the-problem https://lichess.org/forum/lichess-feedback/warning-letting-time-run-out-instead-of-resigning-will-result-in-a-temporary-ban-2 Once you've finished reading come back and tell what you learnt. And, if you might still be unsure, tell me. I'll post more ;)

@lakfish said in #32:

Before posting any further @luchachess, i recommend you read some existing discussions on this topic:

lichess.org/forum/general-chess-discussion/warning-letting-time-run-out-instead-of-resigning-will-result-in-a-temporary-ban-2
lichess.org/forum/lichess-feedback/warning-letting-time-run-out-
lichess.org/forum/lichess-feedback/i-used-to-let-time-run-out-on-purpose-but-now-i-have-a-solution-to-the-problem
lichess.org/forum/lichess-feedback/warning-letting-time-run-out-instead-of-resigning-will-result-in-a-temporary-ban-2
Once you've finished reading come back and tell what you learnt. And, if you might still be unsure, tell me. I'll post more ;)

Thanks for the warning, i wont post anymore, because i don't want to get banned for posting. Have a very nice day.

@lakfish said in #32: > Before posting any further @luchachess, i recommend you read some existing discussions on this topic: > > lichess.org/forum/general-chess-discussion/warning-letting-time-run-out-instead-of-resigning-will-result-in-a-temporary-ban-2 > lichess.org/forum/lichess-feedback/warning-letting-time-run-out- > lichess.org/forum/lichess-feedback/i-used-to-let-time-run-out-on-purpose-but-now-i-have-a-solution-to-the-problem > lichess.org/forum/lichess-feedback/warning-letting-time-run-out-instead-of-resigning-will-result-in-a-temporary-ban-2 > Once you've finished reading come back and tell what you learnt. And, if you might still be unsure, tell me. I'll post more ;) Thanks for the warning, i wont post anymore, because i don't want to get banned for posting. Have a very nice day.

@luchachess said in #29:

But if the glasses are mine, i can do it on purpose. Your analogy doesn't work because i am not dropping someone else's glasses but mine which i have a right to do.

If you really believe that, try taking a bunch of your own glasses to a restaurant and smashing them on the floor. You might be surprised how quickly you are arrested.

@luchachess said in #29: > But if the glasses are mine, i can do it on purpose. Your analogy doesn't work because i am not dropping someone else's glasses but mine which i have a right to do. If you really believe that, try taking a bunch of your own glasses to a restaurant and smashing them on the floor. You might be surprised how quickly you are arrested.

@luchachess said in #33:

Thanks for the warning, i wont post anymore, because i don't want to get banned for posting. Have a very nice day.
Being arrogant on top of argumentative won't get you very far, sir.

@luchachess said in #33: > Thanks for the warning, i wont post anymore, because i don't want to get banned for posting. Have a very nice day. Being arrogant on top of argumentative won't get you very far, sir.

Everyone has the right to use the time to think as they want, even in every game (the guidelines need revision). Each person has different brain capabilities and it should be respected. As the game progresses, the stress levels also fluctuate and it is not necessary that everyone will act single mindedly like a robot. Some people perform fast/ slow in the beginning and take time or less at the end, depends on the respose given by everyone's unique brain to different levels of stress.

Or sadly it might be the case that this platform is not inclusive of diverse brain capabilities that's why we might be seeing such guidelines.

Everyone has the right to use the time to think as they want, even in every game (the guidelines need revision). Each person has different brain capabilities and it should be respected. As the game progresses, the stress levels also fluctuate and it is not necessary that everyone will act single mindedly like a robot. Some people perform fast/ slow in the beginning and take time or less at the end, depends on the respose given by everyone's unique brain to different levels of stress. Or sadly it might be the case that this platform is not inclusive of diverse brain capabilities that's why we might be seeing such guidelines.

As i said, if it happens once or twice it's ok, happens with everyone. You'll only receive a harmless warning. But if it's often repeated, it's not normal. What part of this you don't understand?

@SSJ_Zekrom said in #36:

Or sadly it might be the case that this platform is not inclusive of diverse brain capabilities that's why we might be seeing such guidelines.
Having the audacity to criticize a completely free, non-profit, open-source, without ads site is something you should avoid.

As i said, if it happens once or twice it's ok, happens with everyone. You'll only receive a harmless warning. But if it's often repeated, it's not normal. What part of this you don't understand? @SSJ_Zekrom said in #36: > Or sadly it might be the case that this platform is not inclusive of diverse brain capabilities that's why we might be seeing such guidelines. Having the audacity to criticize a completely free, non-profit, open-source, without ads site is something you should avoid.

@lakfish said in #37:

it's not normal

I have already mentioned that brain capacity can be anything. Their brain can function the way that i mentioned, like fast in the beginning and slow during stress periods for every game, not necessarily once or twice.

@lakfish said in #37:

criticize

I am not criticizing anyone 100% yet. I am providing a possibility that people with such mental capacity are either allowed to play or not. That's why the OR is there at the beginning. If the such people are allowed to play then there's no criticism. If they are not, then criticism is one possibility.

@lakfish said in #37: > it's not normal I have already mentioned that brain capacity can be anything. Their brain can function the way that i mentioned, like fast in the beginning and slow during stress periods for every game, not necessarily once or twice. @lakfish said in #37: > criticize I am not criticizing anyone 100% yet. I am providing a possibility that people with such mental capacity are either allowed to play or not. That's why the OR is there at the beginning. If the such people are allowed to play then there's no criticism. If they are not, then criticism is one possibility.

@SSJ_Zekrom said in #38:

Their brain can function the way that i mentioned, like fast in the beginning and slow during stress periods for every game, not necessarily once or twice.
Ofcourse. Infact, most players move fast in the opening and slow in the middle and end games. The algorithms are fine-tuned to differentiate between such cases and stalling. And they're pretty good at doing so, and faster than any team of humans could ever be. I'm not saying there won't be any false positives, but their percentage is negligible. A player is banned only after repeated number of warnings. The chances of repeated false positives occurring for the same person are even more improbable. Moreover, you can always appeal. In short, if you did nothing wrong, warnings are harmless. In the end, things are always gonna be alright.

@SSJ_Zekrom said in #38: > Their brain can function the way that i mentioned, like fast in the beginning and slow during stress periods for every game, not necessarily once or twice. Ofcourse. Infact, most players move fast in the opening and slow in the middle and end games. The algorithms are fine-tuned to differentiate between such cases and stalling. And they're pretty good at doing so, and faster than any team of humans could ever be. I'm not saying there won't be any false positives, but their percentage is negligible. A player is banned only after repeated number of warnings. The chances of repeated false positives occurring for the same person are even more improbable. Moreover, you can always appeal. In short, if you did nothing wrong, warnings are harmless. In the end, things are always gonna be alright.
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