Now you see #3 there (that's a problem)
The worst part is that he doesn't see it as a problem
Created an account to bully the lower rated ones 🤔
No difference between that and sandbagging
@Ogrilla_Fan I don't want to play against 1100s here on this account, so i play im a new pool
Interesting and illuminating discussion. Good question, obvious and simple, but it brings up a real set of conflicting points. It's good to have clear, stated rules, but it sounds like there are acceptable reasons to have second or third account. Yet, most people do not need more than one account and it's better if they don't. So, it's hard to state a rule completely that doesn't court flaunting of the rule itself.
Edit: - Removed - as I was addressing a person whose comments got deleted on this thread and scrolled my timeline :<
@Ogrilla_Fan I havent had much thoughts about #3 whether they need a second account for this purpose or not.
But I saw that they have linked the accounts with @ - on their profile :-)
Thanks @LDog11 for your post! Nice summary of this thread. LOVE IT. :-)
Edit: thanks for moderation here :)
I suspect some players start a new account once their rating has dropped significantly below the 1500 starting level so as to start anew.
Some also start anew after some trouble/harrassment on the forum.
I can only second the motion that the account names should reflect that they belong to the same user, like name, name_berserk, name_blindfold. In fact I consider playing berserk or blindfold with the main account as a form of sandbagging: artificially lowering the true rating.
For true anonymous play so as not to reveal opening preparation etc you can also play without logging in. The famous blitz games alleged between Short and Fischer reportedly went like that: the alleged Fischer requested Short to log out and then to play him. To ascertain his identity, he answered a few questions about his past. Then the alleged Fischer destroyed Short mercilessly. Up till now we still do not know if it was Fischer or an engine posing like Fischer.
Ever seen the spikes in the cumulative rating distribution? Users reach their peak or goal -often full-hundreds- and start from scratch running a new account.
Yea, dear tpr - exactly, dropping down under certrain level and trying to start over again is a common reason.
Or like Sarg0n says - "ratesitting" on their best.
Sadly, there is no way to convince people to care less about their ratings... :<
Especially the young players. Points are life :)
For such arrangements like Fischer/Short a mutual agreement in advance is required.
You must know the person you are going to play with.
Most want to play anonymous without an arrangement, just on quick pairing against random people with similar ratings. Thats pretty much impossible - the playing strenght of anonymous players varies from beginners to masters.
One thing I disagree:
BERSERK IS A FEATURE :-) Special lichess feature.
Indeed it lowers the rating but there is a way to look up how many games are played with berserk in the stats.
There are other ways of legal sandbagging beside that, like giving extra time or accepting takebacks in rated games.
Shouldnt that be allowed only when playing casual?!
It makes sense to create berserk_name accounts for people who care about their rating or who want to compare how they do with/without berserking. Otherwise... oh well.. why not under regular account?!
Players who play blind games on their regular account get marked for sandbagging.
Saw someone who recently opened a thread about it.
Sad story since they didnt knew and just wanted to practice - but so are the rules, its stated in ToS: bot/blind=another account.
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