Can't create game with specific side any more

@Munich said in #233:

clowns? seriously? My mum always plays white, 83 years old. I wonder whats wrong with you, but it is somehow this change, people want to impose control, how people like to enjoy a game. if you play, you must play both colours.

Exactly, if you play you must play both colours

How sad, and thibault part of this change in society. Rating wise, this change has no effect (as explained). Ye, we get a limited version of lichess, for no other reason to satisfy others who dont like my mum to play white only.

Your explanation was wrong, but the rating part was not the main issue. It was the abuse of the feature. My mom is 85 and she plays both sides. She gets very distressed when she plays the same opponent 100 times and they get white each time. It is sad that you want to cause my mom this distress by allowing abuse. She feels very sad about this.

Even not in casual games.
If you had told this 20 years ago, nobody would believe. Yet, it is happening. Mind Control everywhere, now it reaches lichess, too.

Yes, it causes people to think they should abuse other for their own gain. Luckily, Thibault has not been affected and made this positive change to protect the users and keep everything fair

@sheckley666 said in #238:

Let's start with a simple, undeniable fact:
If a subset of the whole player pool has much more games with white than with black, then the rest of the pool has more games with black.

Now my assumptions.

• These who select to play white outnumber those who select to play black.
• Lichess has statistics about this.
• Players who don't select a colour expect a chance of 50% to get white.

Conclusions:
Players who do not select a given colour have to play more frequently with black than with white.
Lichess has found, that the chance to get black when selecting no colour is significantly bigger than 50%
Lichess reacted.

Sir, facts are not welcome here. You have to speak in terms of "I can do what I want and this is a dictatorship" or "this change caused my elderly mom stress".

@Sofia-Mary said in #236:

And the 75 games you played here, with abusive or excessively played 58 black games, allows you to judge?

Wondering again.

If anything, that would prove his point... Fair players were forced to play black more often because of abusers.
Having said that, if you play 10 games you could have 8W/2B even if you play fair. I suppose at 100, it could still be 65,35.

Statistically, it's very improbable that he would have an exact 50/50 at any given moment though.

@vasyattt said in #235:

I think lichess had a bug.
When I choose to play one side after first game with opponent for next game the side was changed although I selected specific color. This bug didn't allow me to play same player more than one time in sequence.
I think to hide this bug they disabled option to select one side. :)

Nope, Thibaults message clearly says that people abuse it to exclusively play white so it had to go

if you think you get too often black, then do the option and chose white?
if you have no problem playing black, well what is the problem then?

Guys, stop saying its "abuse", or we get to a point where playing more horde chess than rapid chess is abuse, too.

It's not abuse, some players have simply specialiced on playing white only. Why white? I doubt in the weaker range they would know that white wins more often. It is white, because with white you can play what the beginner books tell you, oten italien or spanish. And they know little else than playing white. Nobody is abused, neither in rated games nor in casual.

@Munich said in #243:

if you think you get too often black, then do the option and chose white?

No need, you get both sides evenly and fairly now

if you have no problem playing black, well what is the problem then?

The problem is people abusing fair players and play exclusively white for thousands of games.

Guys, stop saying its "abuse", or we get to a point where playing more horde chess than rapid chess is abuse, too.

It is abuse, which is why it has been stopped
No, because they would be playing against people who have agreed to that match. By your analogy, we should allow people that prefer playing horde 5+0 to be matched with normal 5+0 people.

It's not abuse, some players have simply specialiced on playing white only. Why white? I doubt in the weaker range they would know that white wins more often. It is white, because with white you can play what the beginner books tell you, oten italien or spanish. And they know little else than playing white. Nobody is abused, neither in rated games nor in casual.

Wrong. Playing against fair players with unfair odds is abuse. In both rated and casual, only people who accept the this explicitly should be exposed to unfair playing field. That's why Lichess made this great update!

@gwendolino764

If anything, that would prove his point... Fair players were forced to play black more often because of abusers.
Having said that, if you play 10 games you could have 8W/2B even if you play fair. I suppose at 100, it could still be 65,35.

Statistically, it's very improbable that he would have an exact 50/50 at any given moment though.

In this case we speak about near 80%. Sounds not very fair for me, but here attacking other colour players.

:))

@BeDecentForAChange said in #242:

Nope, Thibaults message clearly says that people abuse it to exclusively play white so it had to go

The minor problem I played black only ;)

@Sofia-Mary said in #245:

In this case we speak about near 80%. Sounds not very fair for me, but here attacking other colour players.

:))

Again proving his point if anything else :)).
But I think you may not understand the statistics. On low amounts of games, these percentages change very quickly. Only 50 games and he would most likely be evened out just by chance alone (might be a bit off because the algorithm might make other pairing that pure 50/50 chance).

However, having someone with 20k games white, and 150 black, different story :)

Cute point you tried to make, didn't really hit though

@BeDecentForAChange said in #239:

Exactly, if you play you must play both colours

I must? really? look like we found some politician I would say of first part of 19th century from russia or Germany.