Can't create game with specific side any more

@Munich said in #217:

Sorry, thibault, but you did not think about this rating wise fully through, the rating pool is not affected by white/black.

Thibault is not saying the rating pool is affected. He is saying that people are abusing this to exclusively (or excessively) play white.

How is this unfair? you dont need to play someone who wants to play white only. play others, there are plenty of other players.

@goldenCrab said in #215:

This only can be eventually abusive for rated games, or are there different server spaces, so that the white game server part is overloaded?

It is definitely abusive in rated games. Perhaps it was just easier to offer the options that are there now in stead of offering this in casual games: invites and AI.

Who knows they will offer some sort of tweaked version on casual games later on again. Until that time everybody just plays both sides like they are supposed to

@Munich said in #220:

How is this unfair? you dont need to play someone who wants to play white only. play others, there are plenty of other players.

Wrong. People were auto-matched against them. You did not have the option to be protected from color pickers

'people are abusing"

ye, that is the wrong thinking. Its a game. Some like to play white only, and their rating reflects that.
There is no "abuse" in playing only white. Not all people like to invest so much time, and learning white opening is already demanding. People prefer it, as it is easier for them to play the opening, and it is indeed.

The rating will reflect their true strength with white only. It is no problem to challenge them, you are (from rating point of view) at no disadvantage in this case.

And again: where is the "abuse" in casual? in Rating, you might get it wrong, people dont think globaly in rating pool, and dont understand that beating lower rated player is adequately reflected in the rating adjustment, and so it is also adequately reflected if one player only plays white.

@Munich said in #223:

'people are abusing"

ye, that is the wrong thinking. Its a game. Some like to play white only, and their rating reflects that.
There is no "abuse" in playing only white. Not all people like to invest so much time, and learning white opening is already demanding. People prefer it, as it is easier for them to play the opening, and it is indeed.

The rating will reflect their true strength with white only. It is no problem to challenge them, you are (from rating point of view) at no disadvantage in this case.

Wrong, it's unfair to consistently have the opening advantage in all of your games. And it is definitely abusive to give yourself that advantage at the expense of other, fair players

BeDecentForAChange: you wont win more often, that is what I am saying. Playing only white should boost your rating to aroun 22 rating points (=3% advantage), it does not carry you up, but its a 22 rating difference compared to a player who plays both colors. If you play a "white player", then his rating reflects (by a 22 margin) that he plays white. against an equal rated player, who plays both colors, the outcome is a 50% score.

It is a deep misinterpretation of rating to think the white player has constantly a winning advantage.
Example: a white-only-player is rated 1800, a both-color is rated 1800. They play a match of 100 games. The expected score is exactly 50%, despite the white only player has white, as the rating is reflecting this already. The "true strength" would be 22 rating points lower = 1778 - however, we never see that true strenght, as he plays white only.

@Munich said in #223:

ye, that is the wrong thinking. Its a game. Some like to play white only, and their rating reflects that.
There is no "abuse" in playing only white. Not all people like to invest so much time, and learning white opening is already demanding. People prefer it, as it is easier for them to play the opening, and it is indeed.

The rating will reflect their true strength with white only. It is no problem to challenge them, you are (from rating point of view) at no disadvantage in this case.

And again: where is the "abuse" in casual? in Rating, you might get it wrong, people dont think globaly in rating pool, and dont understand that beating lower rated player is adequately reflected in the rating adjustment, and so it is also adequately reflected if one player only plays white.

Exactly, what I think.

@Munich said in #225:

BeDecentForAChange: you wont win more often, that is what I am saying. Playing only white should boost your rating to aroun 22 rating points (=3% advantage), it does not carry you up, but its a 22 rating difference compared to a player who plays both colors. If you play a "white player", then his rating reflects (by a 22 margin) that he plays white. against an equal rated player, who plays both colors, the outcome is a 50% score.

Where do you get this data from?

It is a deep misinterpretation of rating to think the white player has constantly a winning advantage.
No, it's a known fact that white has the advantage.

Example: a white-only-player is rated 1800, a both-color is rated 1800. They play a match of 100 games. The expected score is exactly 50%, despite the white only player has white, as the rating is reflecting this already. The "true strength" would be 22 rating points lower = 1778 - however, we never see that true strenght, as he plays white only.

Again, where are you getting these numbers from ?

Rating manipulation is not the only issue. That's like saying "of course you can always choose to play with an extra queen, because your rating will only go up so much and reflect your strength with an extra queen". If you play in a pool with people who expect a fair playing field, and you force your opponents to play you while you have a queen every game, it is unfair even if at a higher level this advantage will even out due to lacking skill.

Playing other people with uneven rules is unfair. People have exploited this, so it was removed to stop the abuse.

@goldenCrab said in #226:

Exactly, what I think.

@Munich said in #223:

'people are abusing"

ye, that is the wrong thinking. Its a game. Some like to play white only, and their rating reflects that.
There is no "abuse" in playing only white. Not all people like to invest so much time, and learning white opening is already demanding. People prefer it, as it is easier for them to play the opening, and it is indeed.

The rating will reflect their true strength with white only. It is no problem to challenge them, you are (from rating point of view) at no disadvantage in this case.

And again: where is the "abuse" in casual? in Rating, you might get it wrong, people dont think globaly in rating pool, and dont understand that beating lower rated player is adequately reflected in the rating adjustment, and so it is also adequately reflected if one player only plays white.

The problem with that is that there might be people who don't want to play for rating, and are now saddled up with these clowns who only play with white. So they then have to accept unfair circumstances just because they don't play for a rating.

This invite system is completely fair. Only if two people agree to uneven odds should it be played.