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Whats the point of studying and getting better at chess when lifeless engines can beat you?

@ShreksGonGiveItToYa said in #1:

I had a conversation with one of my friend, we've talked about chess, he said he knows the rule but he doesn't play it.
I told him to play chess with me. He said sure! We then played chess and out of those two games I played with him on chess.com he completely destroyed me. When I analyze our games he had 0 blunders 0 mistakes 0 innacuracies. He was cheating.
When I confronted him , he said "Imagine wasting your life on chess only to be defeated by an engine." He then told me that theres no point of me studying chess and Im just wasting my time, my dedication, my life for it and there are better productive things I should be doing rather than chess.
This kind of discouraged me. What should I tell him? Any good comebacks?
Chess is quite the unique "game" with its roots going deep over 1500 years. That's reason enough to "learn" and "play" it

@ShreksGonGiveItToYa said in #1: > I had a conversation with one of my friend, we've talked about chess, he said he knows the rule but he doesn't play it. > I told him to play chess with me. He said sure! We then played chess and out of those two games I played with him on chess.com he completely destroyed me. When I analyze our games he had 0 blunders 0 mistakes 0 innacuracies. He was cheating. > When I confronted him , he said "Imagine wasting your life on chess only to be defeated by an engine." He then told me that theres no point of me studying chess and Im just wasting my time, my dedication, my life for it and there are better productive things I should be doing rather than chess. > This kind of discouraged me. What should I tell him? Any good comebacks? Chess is quite the unique "game" with its roots going deep over 1500 years. That's reason enough to "learn" and "play" it

And what's the point of playing here at LIChess, when, after declining a game with a player whose rating was 60 points higher than mine tonight (Dec. 21st) I get the following message:

We had to time you out for a while.

The timeout expires Dec 24, 2021, 2:14 PM.

Why?
We aim to provide a pleasant chess experience for everyone.
To that effect, we must ensure that all players follow good practice.
When a potential problem is detected, we display this message.

How to avoid this?
Play every game you start.
Try to win (or at least draw) every game you play.
Resign lost games (don't let the clock run down).
We apologize for the temporary inconvenience,
and wish you great games on lichess.org.
Thank you for reading!

Don't apologize for the "temporary" inconvenience, LIChess! Stop these unfair bans. If someone declines to play against an opponent with a higher rating, send him another one with a rating close to his. You regard a ban of three days a "pleasant chess experience?" Think again. This is a serious drawback on a site otherwise ideal.

And what's the point of playing here at LIChess, when, after declining a game with a player whose rating was 60 points higher than mine tonight (Dec. 21st) I get the following message: We had to time you out for a while. The timeout expires Dec 24, 2021, 2:14 PM. Why? We aim to provide a pleasant chess experience for everyone. To that effect, we must ensure that all players follow good practice. When a potential problem is detected, we display this message. How to avoid this? Play every game you start. Try to win (or at least draw) every game you play. Resign lost games (don't let the clock run down). We apologize for the temporary inconvenience, and wish you great games on lichess.org. Thank you for reading! Don't apologize for the "temporary" inconvenience, LIChess! Stop these unfair bans. If someone declines to play against an opponent with a higher rating, send him another one with a rating close to his. You regard a ban of three days a "pleasant chess experience?" Think again. This is a serious drawback on a site otherwise ideal.

@Checkingin said in #32:

And what's the point of playing here at LIChess, when, after declining a game with a player whose rating was 60 points higher than mine tonight (Dec. 21st) I get the following message:

We had to time you out for a while.

The timeout expires Dec 24, 2021, 2:14 PM.

Why?
We aim to provide a pleasant chess experience for everyone.
To that effect, we must ensure that all players follow good practice.
When a potential problem is detected, we display this message.

How to avoid this?
Play every game you start.
Try to win (or at least draw) every game you play.
Resign lost games (don't let the clock run down).
We apologize for the temporary inconvenience,
and wish you great games on lichess.org.
Thank you for reading!

Don't apologize for the "temporary" inconvenience, LIChess! Stop these unfair bans. If someone declines to play against an opponent with a higher rating, send him another one with a rating close to his. You regard a ban of three days a "pleasant chess experience?" Think again. This is a serious drawback on a site otherwise ideal.

It seems you are a notorious aborter, is this right? There are many aborted games.

On top, this is offtopic.

@Checkingin said in #32: > And what's the point of playing here at LIChess, when, after declining a game with a player whose rating was 60 points higher than mine tonight (Dec. 21st) I get the following message: > > We had to time you out for a while. > > The timeout expires Dec 24, 2021, 2:14 PM. > > Why? > We aim to provide a pleasant chess experience for everyone. > To that effect, we must ensure that all players follow good practice. > When a potential problem is detected, we display this message. > > How to avoid this? > Play every game you start. > Try to win (or at least draw) every game you play. > Resign lost games (don't let the clock run down). > We apologize for the temporary inconvenience, > and wish you great games on lichess.org. > Thank you for reading! > > Don't apologize for the "temporary" inconvenience, LIChess! Stop these unfair bans. If someone declines to play against an opponent with a higher rating, send him another one with a rating close to his. You regard a ban of three days a "pleasant chess experience?" Think again. This is a serious drawback on a site otherwise ideal. It seems you are a notorious aborter, is this right? There are many aborted games. On top, this is offtopic.

Short answer: chess is not about winning but about learning to deal with one's limits.

In 1769, the chess turk was manned; Torres 1914 championed relay technology; since around 1950 the Turing machines work. Larsen allowed himself to lose, Kasparov blundered in game 6, Kramnik drew, Nakamura accepted pawn odds and Carlsen names the present generation an inspiration.

Chess is not about aspiring to be the best. Carlsen wears no crown, he could, with a smile, maybe the odd best programmers do?

The king in chess is a humble and strong piece, uniting traits of all other pieces and standing in for all of them. Any of us happily dealing with our limits are kings and queens of chess. Remember there is two crowns available in every game :)

The automatons, computers, engines are all built to deal with the limits, too. We gladly take lessons. They only win for so long: Should they ever solve chess we can follow the instructions and nobody wins. But we need not follow, we can opt to play and learn with our own eyes, hands, brain and remain queens and kings limited, rather than limit ourselves to decipher terminal instructions. The better, if they don't arrive.

They win in chess now, but, arguably, they are not happy or anything about it. The point is, we are. ;) And that was the long answer. Maybe they can follow us there and become trying-to-be-happy dealers with their limits, themselves.

Short answer: chess is not about winning but about learning to deal with one's limits. In 1769, the chess turk was manned; Torres 1914 championed relay technology; since around 1950 the Turing machines work. Larsen allowed himself to lose, Kasparov blundered in game 6, Kramnik drew, Nakamura accepted pawn odds and Carlsen names the present generation an inspiration. Chess is not about aspiring to be the best. Carlsen wears no crown, he could, with a smile, maybe the odd best programmers do? The king in chess is a humble and strong piece, uniting traits of all other pieces and standing in for all of them. Any of us happily dealing with our limits are kings and queens of chess. Remember there is two crowns available in every game :) The automatons, computers, engines are all built to deal with the limits, too. We gladly take lessons. They only win for so long: Should they ever solve chess we can follow the instructions and nobody wins. But we need not follow, we can opt to play and learn with our own eyes, hands, brain and remain queens and kings limited, rather than limit ourselves to decipher terminal instructions. The better, if they don't arrive. They win in chess now, but, arguably, they are not happy or anything about it. The point is, we are. ;) And that was the long answer. Maybe they can follow us there and become trying-to-be-happy dealers with their limits, themselves.

What's the use of making any kind of sport or competition when machines can do that better than you?
What's the use of going to work when machines can do that better than you?
What's the use of living when machines can do that for you?

What's the use of making any kind of sport or competition when machines can do that better than you? What's the use of going to work when machines can do that better than you? What's the use of living when machines can do that for you?

Block him lol idek him nd he already gets on my nerves

Block him lol idek him nd he already gets on my nerves

Yermo told a story in his book "The Road to Chess Improvement", 1999. A fellow didn't go on vacation and joined the World Ch because his employer denied. The given reason: the machines are much stronger, chess has "practically" been solved. At least for humans...

Yermo told a story in his book "The Road to Chess Improvement", 1999. A fellow didn't go on vacation and joined the World Ch because his employer denied. The given reason: the machines are much stronger, chess has "practically" been solved. At least for humans...

dude who would challenge the engine unless they are god of chess?

dude who would challenge the engine unless they are god of chess?

If engine would be a reason of not playing chess, you shouldn't do anything, as there's google to look everything up. And that is just nonsense, so ignore your friend's comment.

If engine would be a reason of not playing chess, you shouldn't do anything, as there's google to look everything up. And that is just nonsense, so ignore your friend's comment.

''What's the use?'' (Tuxedomoon 1981). I'm a Tuxedomoon fan.

''What's the use?'' (Tuxedomoon 1981). I'm a Tuxedomoon fan.

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