There's nothing inherently wrong with cheating in chess

@JoyfulCrown "By rolling with it, I mean that you accept this reality."

That wasn't your original claim. It was: Learning chess and getting better at it is already cheating.

You are trying to muddy the line between correct and incorrect behaviour. I can only guess your motives but I don't believe they are honorable.

Firstly we should define the word cheating - it means "to deprive of something valuable by the use of deceit or fraud" (Merriam-Webster).

Having your parents teach you the game and give you courses at a very young age - is not the same as using deceit or fraud to win.
Memorizing tons of opening lines is not the same as using deceit or fraud to win.
Spending more time to study chess is not the same as using deceit or fraud to win.
And those are not forms of using deceit or fraud to win, because they are not against the rules.

The way I see it, you tend to think that every form of advantage is a cheating, but I consider the advantage to be cheating only if it is gained by deceit or fraud (by breaking the rules).

You are right that there are things to be said about elitism in chess, but I don't think chess players disliking cheaters has anything to do with chess players being "brainwashed". Cheating is frowned upon in all sports and will lead to strict punshment, this is not something that is unique to chess and the chess community.

If I understand your argument correctly it's that "Life is unfair, therefore cheating should be ok". I don't think anyone disagrees with you that life can be unfair to a certain extent, but I feel like this is a flawed argument. The fact that someone would take a shortcut to achieve the same thing that some other person might have dedicated their whole life on is morally wrong, and to me there is no way around that. A more healthy response to the feeling of "Life is unfair" is to accept the reality and work hard on achieving your goals anyway, this will not only lead to a more healthy community, it will also give the person a greater feeling of accomplishment.

There is nothing inherently wrong with cheating. The word by itself when spoken is just a sound. When written, it's just a bunch of scribble. We have added meaning to the word and each letter and the spoken sound of it and agreed upon it. So in our case, cheating is bad. This can be applied to many othet languages so I can safely say at this point that on Earth, cheating is bad. And since we're on Earth and lichess is an Earth-based chess platform, again, cheating is bad. Now why is it bad? Because it gives someone an unfair advantage, according to our definition, and again, since lichess is an Earth-based chess platform, we go by that definition.

Yes, I know this is a very absurd approach, but if someone wants to use technicalities, I can use it back on them.

So is there anyone who brave enough to explore chess as an Amish and medieval

@hisokaxhunter no

@JoyfulCrown

"First of all I don't cheat."

I'm not so sure about that; your head seems to be a lot more vacant than the majority of people, so obviously you'll have it much easier to stuff all that empty space with chess knowledge faster than we can manage, thus one might consider your predisposition as 'cheating' too.
But otoh you're just a troll, trying to stir up things.

1st For me, the problem with cheating is not that I lose. The problem is: Playing against engines is boring. It lacks the very thing that makes strategy games interesting: The battle to guess your opponents plans while hiding your own plans. Engines don't make plans, so I cannot guess them, they just number crunch me out.

2nd A game of chess is a comparison between two humans in their current state. It is not about who is a better human in itself, not the talent, only the ability to play chess in this moment in the given circumstances.

"I'm just sick and tired of seeing elitist chess players ridiculing cheaters, saying they are a sad bunch, pathetic, losers, etc"

Well aren't they? They don't do it for money like Vegas casino card cheaters or pool hustlers there's nothing gained from it except trolling and ruining the game for everyone yes pathetic.

guys: this is a joke. dont really take it seriously