The Cheating Issue

I was up what 8 material at least and in a good position? And then he was hitting every move within a couple seconds avoiding checkmate, taking material, play completely differently than in the opening and middle game.

Lmao, if your opponent has forced mate against you you can use the most powerful engine in the world and it will not change the fact that you're checkmated. Your only hope is that he won't find the right sequence.

You missed finding the right sequence, or one of them since there were multiple, for 18 times straight. That's on you and nobody else. And it's okay at your level. What is not okay is that you are paranoid about cheating at your level.

@Enders_Gambit said in #7:

You're coping

Sorry, I was trying to be nice and maybe failing.
But that answer is just unhelpful.

You just didn't understand at all what I meant.

Yes, neither one of us are as good as you so we make mistakes. That's expected because we're low elo players. What's not expected is to play poorly in the opening and mid game and then hit every top 2nd or 3rd best engine move within 4 seconds or less to avoid checkmate.

You seem to be unaware that a lone king CAN'T checkmate itself, every POSSIBLE move in that Endgame that the page allows to make avoids checkmate, that's why they all take the same time.

Equally all possible moves are the "top three engine moves" thus your opponent "finds them".

Please a little more humble pie and a little less aggressive...

I find the cheating problem is less on here than Chesscom and I actually find the fair play better here than chesscom with there self-proclaimed multi-million dollar fair play program. If anything I have only bumped into 3 cheaters in the last month which I dont find a lot while in the 2100 Rapid rating pool on chesscom, I found multiple accounts extremely sus....some banned and some not. Its watchdog is still to me very experimental as they have made lots of falsified banned in my small chess friend group and some are flabbergasted. Its honestly better here in my opinion and have had a better piece of mind switching over here. I like the community here anyway as its not full of spam unlike chesscom.

@Enders_Gambit said in #1:

So I'm at about 22 losses right now, new account, but I've been playing for quite awhile. The likelihood of losing 22 games against players of the same elo is about 0.5^22 or about 0.0000238% according to the multiplication rule of probability.

I'm not a great player, but look, I'm on the cusp of hitting 900 elo, which is probably around the range of 500 on Chess.com. The last time I was at the elo, which was while ago..the matches were too easy. I'm at about 700 on Chess.com which would be about 1100-1200 here I believe.

If I'm actually playing against people at my elo, then I should statistically lose 50% of my games, but I'm losing damn near all of them. I also play on Chess com, and there's cheating there is as well, but I heard there was less here..I'm not sure that's the case because I'm on a massive losing streak the likes which I haven't seen since I first started almost a year ago.

I don't want to get into just how bad the cheating is necessarily, but I just want someone in charge to actually look at some of these games. I don't go off accuracy because cheaters tend to make purposeful mistakes so in order not to get banned. The biggest thing I look at is time per move as well just their supposed skill level vs mine.

In one of my games, I used the Nimzowitch defense, and my opponent new the exact theory to play against it. He's still playing. How many openings is a person at our level expected to know? I know two. I'm becoming frustrated with the experience I'm having here so far. I haven't experienced a losing streak like this in a loong time, and I might just stick to Chess.com even though everything costs money there.

@Enders_Gambit said in #7:

Well, I've been at this rating for a few months now (On Chess.com), so idk if I believe that. Also even if I belonged at say 800 here, which is about 400 on Chess.com, it doesn't make sense to lose so many games against similarly skilled players. 800-1100 is not a massive jump, and I suspect I'll have the same issues. I think I am at my true elo since it's the same as on Chess.com, and I'm just encountering a lot of cheaters here.

But you know what shoots holes in your little theory of yours? The fact that I was completely winning this game up until the end, so maybe I'm at my correct elo eh?

Yes, neither one of us are as good as you so we make mistakes. That's expected because we're low elo players. What's not expected is to play poorly in the opening and mid game and then hit every top 2nd or 3rd best engine move within 4 seconds or less to avoid checkmate.

I mean yeah? Because we're low level players. But you know what though, if I were him, I'd probably take a lot more time on my moves and would find it difficult to avoid checkmate because again..I'm only 700 elo or 1100 here.

You're coping

well actually you just need to improve your game and learn .start going to a chess class or watch chess learning videos
and this is not your rating or u were just tilting and the person u might have played for the Nimzowitsch defense might be an undercover low rated player or a person who was very familiar with it but also chess.com is also known for it cheating but in lichess its hard to cheat with all moderators monitoring all games so there is no excuse

PS: I also agree with
@lonelypeanut even though he's 1000 he understands the issue so yeah its not your real rating because you might have won with a high rated player and u might have lost every other game and remember your real rating is if you maintain a rating for about 50-100 games in one time control (aka: rapid/ blitz) and pls go to chess coaching so that you will become better or just watch videos of chess talk/Gotham chess

peace and no hate to @Enders_Gambit

Cheating paranoia is something we all have to go through in our online experience of playing chess especially in those early years. When you might think, well I'm actually not a terrible player , I think I'm ok. The truth of the matter ,usually is, that you just played badly and lost. It's true there are cheaters out there but not half as many as you may think. A game of chess is still a game of chess whether you're facing a cheat or not. Be thankful you have someone to play against. Cause it's no fun playing with yourself ......................oo-err missus xxx

@Enders_Gambit

If I'm actually playing against people at my elo, then I should statistically lose 50% of my games, but I'm losing damn near all of them. I also play on Chess com, and there's cheating there is as well, but I heard there was less here..I'm not sure that's the case because I'm on a massive losing streak the likes which I haven't seen since I first started almost a year ago.

I mean no offense, but it sounds like you're being paranoid and letting the rating system cloud your judgment. And this can affect your performance.

I don't want to get into just how bad the cheating is necessarily, but I just want someone in charge to actually look at some of these games. I don't go off accuracy because cheaters tend to make purposeful mistakes so in order not to get banned. The biggest thing I look at is time per move as well just their supposed skill level vs mine.

Once again, I mean no offense, but in my opinion, you're in the rating range where the majority of your move choices are devoid of tactical motif.

Despite this, you raise an interesting point about player misconduct/cheating. I might be wrong but, I do believe you're most likely being outplayed fairly. I understand that you have your own thoughts and feelings based on your understanding of the game. However, I'd advise against judging your opponents based on your intuitive understanding of the game; otherwise, you risk misjudging them.

Mind you, this isn't limited to players at your level. All players should have and maintain a neutral mindset toward their opponent's performance and not judge them unfairly.

We all make mistakes on the board and such. However, one mistake we should avoid as chess players is assuming that we'll frequently encounter cheaters.

What's often overlooked is that misjudging other people's performance reflects poorly on your intuitive abilities, as it can make you look stupid in reality, as a matter of fact.

And as you probably know, this isn't new to the chess world. Some people believe they frequently encounter cheaters. And when these people are unable to recognize their own flaws and shortcomings, they're likely to pass snap judgments on their opponents, resulting in a vicious cycle of negativity and mistrust.

What makes matters worse is when they go public with it. Whenever these people are suspicious of their opponent's performance, they take the issue to the forums and let everyone hear their thoughts. And when their suspected games are analyzed, their mistakes/blunders are often too obvious to the masses, unknowingly telling the world just how bad they are at chess.

One may think they're publicly shaming their opponents in some way, but they're actually shaming themselves directly.

While I'd advise you to maintain a neutral stance in situations like these, I'd also advise you to keep your opinions to yourself because the report button is there to keep things discreet and civil whenever you feel suspicious.

A better solution here, would be if lichess just closes the Forum completely, because it's very rare that valuable information can be found here.
Anyone who knows this place, can almost expect these kind of topics about cheating and other chess related subjects like "don't resign" .....
Its nearly always the same people responding, without even knowing what the actual score is here.
I mean some are saying we're paranoid or whatever.
How do you know what's happening behind the scenes.
Can you prove it, maybe you people are just , dare I say a bit weak...
Yes I think lichess has got many cheaters, and I still play here regardless.

@Startinganewgamesoon said in #28:

A better solution here, would be if lichess just closes the Forum completely, because it's very rare that valuable information can be found here.
Anyone who knows this place, can almost expect these kind of topics about cheating and other chess related subjects like "don't resign" .....
Its nearly always the same people responding, without even knowing what the actual score is here.
I mean some are saying we're paranoid or whatever.
How do you know what's happening behind the scenes.
Can you prove it, maybe you people are just , dare I say a bit weak...
Yes I think lichess has got many cheaters, and I still play here regardless.
Yes ban everything !! Close the forums !! all free thought and opinion that'll make Lichess a better place ...........I'm being sarrrrcaarrrstic of course xxx

Opinions vary xxx