So many cheaters

@C-Bear said in #1:

I have played so many cheaters here the past few days. They aren't even hiding it anymore. 1600 players with an accuracy of 94%. Nothing is being done about it. I think I will move sites.
Yeah bro in this game I hung my queen and they somehow won bro they're totally cheating.

after several decades of chess study blitz 100% accuracy there abouts, becomes increasingly easy believe me

This guy played 1.5k+ games on lichess:
https://lichess.org/@/MAHDI_6971

2 hours ago he went nuts and started to cheat in every single game for at least 5 games in a row, I have used report system to report him and also i written post to this thread 2 hours ago, now he is banned. Isn't this a proof that system works? :)

Yes, he played another 30 games after being reported, but justice eventually found him.

I feel that some of the posts in this thread are a bit detached from reality.

If we are talking about 1600-1900 rated users (like I am one myself) and their experience regarding cheating, you can't simply argue "you have no proof", "all you have is gut feeling" or "you make blunders" and then conclude from all of those statements that therefore no cheating has ever happened in that rating range.

The statements are correct, the conclusion is absurd. Of course there is no proof, only gut feeling and blunders. If OP was on the level of Hikaru and able to definitely and accurately spot cheaters while not making any blunders, they wouldn't be rated 1600 now, would they?

If you are requesting Hikaru-level analysis and proof from a 1600 before you even consider the possibility of cheating, you are basically concluding that cheating in that rating range doesn't exist at all, without having any kind of evidence or proof to back your conclusion up.

For my personal experience, I can say the following: On lichess, I encounter way more suspicious opponents than on chess dot com. By suspicious I mean players that have similar or lower rating to myself but that absolutely decisively crush me in games where I didn't make any obvious huge blunders. Players that have similar or lower rating to myself but that are somehow able to completely and utterly outplay and outclass me. This does happen somewhat regularly to me on lichess, while it virtually never happens on chess dot com. Funnily, on chess dot com this kind of event happens pretty much exactly as often to me as I get those "your opponent was found to be cheating, we refunded you rating points" messages. What a strange coincidence.

On a side note, personally I don't use the "report" button because I am too bad at chess to distinguish between my opponent cheating and my opponent just having a good or lucky game. For me, the "report" button might just as well simply not exist, because how in the world should I know whether my opponent is cheating or not. Should lichess actually rely on 1600 rated players using the "report" button against cheaters with any degree of accuracy and reliability, then the whole anti-cheat-approach of lichess is completely doomed on a very fundamental level.

@migo_62 said in #45:

By suspicious I mean players that have similar or lower rating to myself but that absolutely decisively crush me in games where I didn't make any obvious huge blunders. Players that have similar or lower rating to myself but that are somehow able to completely and utterly outplay and outclass me

I agree,
I made a game 1 hour ago, and my opponent plays too good and too fast to be true
i was crushed in 2:30 min into a 10 min game,

no mistake, 94% accuracy (in a game with no trade)
vs 1 mistake and 86% accuracy for me

very frustrating !

and also my opponent trolls me, saying "too slow, too weak"

I've met cheaters on chess.com, about 1 in 20 games I get elo back. On lichess, I don't think I ever met a cheater, though I had an opponent I suspected so I did a report, that player is still around so I chalk it up to my play just sucked.

Overall, I think lichess does a great job!

You are sure right about that I have run into bots today and yesterday I am sending a report every day. They play so fast and perfect position a thing only Stockfish could do. Level 3 of Stockfish is around 1700 and it cannot do anything that well it is fast no human is that fast; they never play bullet but can play classical so fast the increment gives them positive time???
These are bots and hackers; Lichess needs a red team to address it; it is so easy anyone could do it. They are playing much better than level 4.
That is how I rule on this matter I take Stockfish level elos and compare it, and data shows the human average move time is much more and they always think somewhere. Security experts can intercept these bots, Lichess is like any website or app hackable so get a white hat to help.

garbage in garbage out, you lot really have no idea what the human mind is capable of, for pity sake poeple play bullet on some sites without the use of computer assistance.

On a side note, personally I don't use the "report" button because I am too bad at chess to distinguish between my opponent cheating and my opponent just having a good or lucky game. For me, the "report" button might just as well simply not exist, because how in the world should I know whether my opponent is cheating or not. Should lichess actually rely on 1600 rated players using the "report" button against cheaters with any degree of accuracy and reliability, then the whole anti-cheat-approach of lichess is completely doomed on a very fundamental level.

If you have doubts you still can do a computer analysis of the last games of your opponent and report if the accuracy is very high several games in a row.