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So many cheaters

@Lars-trygve said in #16:

What I find a bit strange is that I very, very often have a very hard time when playing rated blitz/rapid games against players from 1600-1900, But that it somehow was quite easy to win over many players between 2100-2365 in unrated blitz (3+2) .

I play only classical but noticed the same thing. The only explanation I have is from Ben Finegold who said in one of his videos that lower rated players usually don't follow the logic of chess and very often play random moves which often forces you to also make illogical moves which most of the time are labelled by the engine as mistakes or even blunders. The tricky part is to see at what rating you can spot the clear distinction in the quality of the play. And I also think that 1900 is the line beyond which things start to get better. This was indirectly confirmed recently by one street player (on youtube) who said that he could play against players rated 1800-2300 but would not play with someone rated below 1800 because for him "people below 1800 cannot play chess". Food for thought.

@Lars-trygve said in #16: > What I find a bit strange is that I very, very often have a very hard time when playing rated blitz/rapid games against players from 1600-1900, But that it somehow was quite easy to win over many players between 2100-2365 in unrated blitz (3+2) . I play only classical but noticed the same thing. The only explanation I have is from Ben Finegold who said in one of his videos that lower rated players usually don't follow the logic of chess and very often play random moves which often forces you to also make illogical moves which most of the time are labelled by the engine as mistakes or even blunders. The tricky part is to see at what rating you can spot the clear distinction in the quality of the play. And I also think that 1900 is the line beyond which things start to get better. This was indirectly confirmed recently by one street player (on youtube) who said that he could play against players rated 1800-2300 but would not play with someone rated below 1800 because for him "people below 1800 cannot play chess". Food for thought.

YACP! sigh @C-Bear Okay, let's have a look on some of your "suspicious" 90%+ opponent-accuracy-games.

I took the last 10 of your losses and extracted those with 90%+ opponent-accuracy, so the 3 following matches are the "hot" ones:

https://lichess.org/rycQ0cvj/black#0

The start is pretty normal, until move 7 everything is in the theory-area for both players. Nothing special so far.

The next moves played by your opponent are not the best (not even top 3 engine suggestions) and in the exchange-situation on move 10 to 11 your opponent "humanly" took its time for about 30 sec on each of his next 2 moves.
The obvious capture on move 12 was played instantly, also typical human play - so... Nothing special again.

On move 15 your opponent plays an inaccurate move after thinking for about 26 sec - very human. Nothing special again.
This inaccuracy btw. could have given you a long lasting initiative, but you played 16. ...Qa5 and the advantage was more or less gone. Nothing special btw.

Your 18th move was just a horrible blunder and even tho your pawn on e7 was obviously hanging, your opponent took it's time and calculated the consequences for about 45 sec. Nothing special...

On the very next move, your opponent missed the best continuation and played the much more human move 20. Nc6(??) forking your queen and rook - and also giving away most of his advantage. Nothing special.

Your next move 20. ...Qb6(??) was horrible too, but it was a difficult position already.

In this situation, your opponent already had a +7 advantage, according to the engine.

He then played some obvious moves and missed several opportunities to mate you even faster. Nothing special... again...

Since it took me some time to write this post, i will only post the links to the other games i found here, but let you comment on them yourselves, if you'd like to. For me, there was... => Nothing special.

If there is a pattern, then (at leasdt it seems for me) it's this: You blunder horribly at some point and wonder, why you get crushed in the remaining of the game.

Have fun anyway!

https://lichess.org/Dvi9HDdX#0

https://lichess.org/u5Dt3iEM/black#0

YACP! *sigh* @C-Bear Okay, let's have a look on some of your "suspicious" 90%+ opponent-accuracy-games. I took the last 10 of your losses and extracted those with 90%+ opponent-accuracy, so the 3 following matches are the "hot" ones: 1) https://lichess.org/rycQ0cvj/black#0 The start is pretty normal, until move 7 everything is in the theory-area for both players. Nothing special so far. The next moves played by your opponent are not the best (not even top 3 engine suggestions) and in the exchange-situation on move 10 to 11 your opponent "humanly" took its time for about 30 sec on each of his next 2 moves. The obvious capture on move 12 was played instantly, also typical human play - so... Nothing special again. On move 15 your opponent plays an inaccurate move after thinking for about 26 sec - very human. Nothing special again. This inaccuracy btw. could have given you a long lasting initiative, but you played 16. ...Qa5 and the advantage was more or less gone. Nothing special btw. Your 18th move was just a horrible blunder and even tho your pawn on e7 was obviously hanging, your opponent took it's time and calculated the consequences for about 45 sec. Nothing special... On the very next move, your opponent missed the best continuation and played the much more human move 20. Nc6(??) forking your queen and rook - and also giving away most of his advantage. Nothing special. Your next move 20. ...Qb6(??) was horrible too, but it was a difficult position already. In this situation, your opponent already had a +7 advantage, according to the engine. He then played some obvious moves and missed several opportunities to mate you even faster. Nothing special... again... Since it took me some time to write this post, i will only post the links to the other games i found here, but let you comment on them yourselves, if you'd like to. For me, there was... => Nothing special. If there is a pattern, then (at leasdt it seems for me) it's this: You blunder horribly at some point and wonder, why you get crushed in the remaining of the game. Have fun anyway! 2) https://lichess.org/Dvi9HDdX#0 3) https://lichess.org/u5Dt3iEM/black#0

@C-Bear said in #3:

You make a couple of assumptions. First of all you claim i make a lot of blunders. I don't I just notice my opponent being 1600 happen to have a queen in the only spot where it covers everything like he anticipated a sequence 5 moves in. It's not a single match either. Turning your engine on and off during a match you will win every match sub 1800 if you want to. It just happens a lot on lichess and I see nothing being done about it. apart from people claiming either its not cheating or its bad play/ bad form.

Wait, your rating is 1600s.

@C-Bear said in #3: > You make a couple of assumptions. First of all you claim i make a lot of blunders. I don't I just notice my opponent being 1600 happen to have a queen in the only spot where it covers everything like he anticipated a sequence 5 moves in. It's not a single match either. Turning your engine on and off during a match you will win every match sub 1800 if you want to. It just happens a lot on lichess and I see nothing being done about it. apart from people claiming either its not cheating or its bad play/ bad form. Wait, your rating is 1600s.
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@InModeration said in #7:

94% accuracy means nothing on its own. I've had 98% accuracy twice in the last few days and it's not a sign that I was cheating or even playing very well. My opponent blundered, it's as simple as that.
Amateur. I played my friend and got 100% accuracy. Here are the moves (I played with black):

  1. f4 e3
  2. g4 Qh4#
@InModeration said in #7: > 94% accuracy means nothing on its own. I've had 98% accuracy twice in the last few days and it's not a sign that I was cheating or even playing very well. My opponent blundered, it's as simple as that. Amateur. I played my friend and got 100% accuracy. Here are the moves (I played with black): 1. f4 e3 2. g4 Qh4#

@ThatRandomPerson111 said in #35:

Amateur. I played my friend and got 100% accuracy. Here are the moves (I played with black):

  1. f4 e3
  2. g4 Qh4#

Nice. :)

@ThatRandomPerson111 said in #35: > Amateur. I played my friend and got 100% accuracy. Here are the moves (I played with black): > 1. f4 e3 > 2. g4 Qh4# Nice. :)

i famously am accused of cheating by many top players when i played as icc fischer against nigel short and beat him 11-1, i didnt cheat back in 2001 I am just a genius.

i famously am accused of cheating by many top players when i played as icc fischer against nigel short and beat him 11-1, i didnt cheat back in 2001 I am just a genius.

I know so, you are right you should see have fast and perfectly they play at a 1200 rating. I go by these guidelines first stockfish at level 3 is rated 1700 it makes many mistakes and it is obvious. So just play it at that level and then you will know a good measure for what a level is capable of, 2. is how fast they play; you add that to accuracy and you have a cheat. Last I go by the names a bot will have a number for a name and a hacker will have a name that brags about his thief. Also if you really want to know just try to chat or meet them; certain that they never post on the forum. Last you can get a security spider and crawl this website for stats on how often a certain rated player is so fast or so accu. etc. You need what they call a " red team" They will come in and start cheating as a test and they will prove how easy it is.

I know so, you are right you should see have fast and perfectly they play at a 1200 rating. I go by these guidelines first stockfish at level 3 is rated 1700 it makes many mistakes and it is obvious. So just play it at that level and then you will know a good measure for what a level is capable of, 2. is how fast they play; you add that to accuracy and you have a cheat. Last I go by the names a bot will have a number for a name and a hacker will have a name that brags about his thief. Also if you really want to know just try to chat or meet them; certain that they never post on the forum. Last you can get a security spider and crawl this website for stats on how often a certain rated player is so fast or so accu. etc. You need what they call a " red team" They will come in and start cheating as a test and they will prove how easy it is.

lichess is not going to do any of that. They are aware of cheaters but they are so many that handling them is an immense time consumption and use of manpower that they rather ignore the deal for all but the completely blatant 100% engine users. The fact that someone from lichess here claims that i use the report function once in six months is ridiculous and a blatant lie. It shows the that they aren't willing to even properly recognize the problem. Let alone do the necessary steps to fix anything.

lichess is not going to do any of that. They are aware of cheaters but they are so many that handling them is an immense time consumption and use of manpower that they rather ignore the deal for all but the completely blatant 100% engine users. The fact that someone from lichess here claims that i use the report function once in six months is ridiculous and a blatant lie. It shows the that they aren't willing to even properly recognize the problem. Let alone do the necessary steps to fix anything.

Anticheating system should work, but probably not as fast as we want.

Here is the guy who is cheating right now game after game:
https://lichess.org/@/MAHDI_6971

Watch in realtime if you wish :) almost 100% accuracy in blitz on 1800.

Anticheating system should work, but probably not as fast as we want. Here is the guy who is cheating right now game after game: https://lichess.org/@/MAHDI_6971 Watch in realtime if you wish :) almost 100% accuracy in blitz on 1800.

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