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So if I wanna get into chess, where to start?

#41

@Alientcp said in #40:

Yes it is. if they have both types, the light and heavy ones, check both, and as soon as you lift the heavy piece, you will get it.

Its actually the only bad thing of online chess, you cant feel the pieces.

I'll go into it in the spirit of what you're telling me is exactly true, i've always been a really dry person, where I cut the color from things and take them into my stride. It will be fun to go on a little side quest like this, and hopefully a nice change in pace!

I know it worked concerning music and philosophy for me! Maybe I can discover your love for chess doing this.

@Alientcp said in #40: > Yes it is. if they have both types, the light and heavy ones, check both, and as soon as you lift the heavy piece, you will get it. > > Its actually the only bad thing of online chess, you cant feel the pieces. I'll go into it in the spirit of what you're telling me is exactly true, i've always been a really dry person, where I cut the color from things and take them into my stride. It will be fun to go on a little side quest like this, and hopefully a nice change in pace! I know it worked concerning music and philosophy for me! Maybe I can discover your love for chess doing this.
#42

@wawabywibwib said in #21:

You make sense and opening (early game) and endgames are commonly used terms in other games. I skimmed youtube videos on openings and endgames already but they seem really dumbed down and I can't tell if it's just clickbait or targeted at boomers or something.

I am kind of giving up on that type of stuff, and looking into maybe a coach or finding something more insightful and sophisticated.

If I wanted to look for reputable or high skilled players, who exactly would they be? How can a non chess player tell the difference between a pro signed challenger and some plat scrub?

I mean a coach from a proper chess academy. Those will be actual high skilled players. Also there is a system called "rating" in chess. So if the guy's FIDE (chess organisation) rating is 2000+, it's pretty ok. You can do some research about a good chess academy around you and you're good to go.

@wawabywibwib said in #21: > You make sense and opening (early game) and endgames are commonly used terms in other games. I skimmed youtube videos on openings and endgames already but they seem really dumbed down and I can't tell if it's just clickbait or targeted at boomers or something. > > I am kind of giving up on that type of stuff, and looking into maybe a coach or finding something more insightful and sophisticated. > > If I wanted to look for reputable or high skilled players, who exactly would they be? How can a non chess player tell the difference between a pro signed challenger and some plat scrub? I mean a coach from a proper chess academy. Those will be actual high skilled players. Also there is a system called "rating" in chess. So if the guy's FIDE (chess organisation) rating is 2000+, it's pretty ok. You can do some research about a good chess academy around you and you're good to go.
#43

@wawabywibwib said in #22:

If I burned out i'd imagine that would just mean chess didn't hold my interest? I wonder if it really takes a year to learn chess tho, I think learning is an exponential and sudden staircase, rather than an incline. If it takes me so long to become an advanced player then i'd imagine the average chess player has achieved a level of refinement many steps ahead of what goes into other skills and tasks.

Is chess really that sweaty a game? If it is, that's super hype and I might like it here

Chess isn't "that sweaty a game". I am just suggesting 2-3 hours at the beginning, then you can start to increase accordingly.

@wawabywibwib said in #22: > If I burned out i'd imagine that would just mean chess didn't hold my interest? I wonder if it really takes a year to learn chess tho, I think learning is an exponential and sudden staircase, rather than an incline. If it takes me so long to become an advanced player then i'd imagine the average chess player has achieved a level of refinement many steps ahead of what goes into other skills and tasks. > > Is chess really that sweaty a game? If it is, that's super hype and I might like it here Chess isn't "that sweaty a game". I am just suggesting 2-3 hours at the beginning, then you can start to increase accordingly.
#44

There is of course everything you need on Lichess.
The Susan Polgar's Books : "Learn chess the right way" may be a good solution

However, it will be a long way !

There is of course everything you need on Lichess. The Susan Polgar's Books : "Learn chess the right way" may be a good solution However, it will be a long way !
#45

@Aviaansh92 said in #43:

Chess isn't "that sweaty a game". I am just suggesting 2-3 hours at the beginning, then you can start to increase accordingly.

So I explored a few youtube channels, talked with some prospect coaches who reached out or advertised and think that the normal talking points and examples seem too dumbed down or common sense? There is stuff like DotA or LoL where by the time you get to a respectable rank or mmr, everyone has already put a lot of hours in and learned things that are hard for a new player to catch up to but chess players in the middle - "high" tiers here seem like bots? Idk, Chess doesn't seem sweaty at all, or almost casual. Less Valorant community more skyrim? Which is so weird to me because this game seems like it would have been like some super pretentious life or death hyper serious game, and i'm sure it is, but there seem to be a lot of expert players going around that I feel are worse than me :/

I have settled on a coach tho, who is super reputable in another game I played and has a background in semi pro chess so I kind of trust them , but my first looking through educational content and would be coaches seems like snake oil

@Aviaansh92 said in #43: > Chess isn't "that sweaty a game". I am just suggesting 2-3 hours at the beginning, then you can start to increase accordingly. So I explored a few youtube channels, talked with some prospect coaches who reached out or advertised and think that the normal talking points and examples seem too dumbed down or common sense? There is stuff like DotA or LoL where by the time you get to a respectable rank or mmr, everyone has already put a lot of hours in and learned things that are hard for a new player to catch up to but chess players in the middle - "high" tiers here seem like bots? Idk, Chess doesn't seem sweaty at all, or almost casual. Less Valorant community more skyrim? Which is so weird to me because this game seems like it would have been like some super pretentious life or death hyper serious game, and i'm sure it is, but there seem to be a lot of expert players going around that I feel are worse than me :/ I have settled on a coach tho, who is super reputable in another game I played and has a background in semi pro chess so I kind of trust them , but my first looking through educational content and would be coaches seems like snake oil
#46

@Sholmes49 said in #44:

There is of course everything you need on Lichess.
The Susan Polgar's Books : "Learn chess the right way" may be a good solution

However, it will be a long way !

I know about Polgar! A colleague in a different game used to use analogies, and talked about something called the french defense, and how black would play a certain move even if white made a move to "Fake stop it". He quoted her, even if I had to paraphrase a little because this was like 7 years ago, and the analogy was listened to absent mindedly cuz it was during mid game rambles.

@Sholmes49 said in #44: > There is of course everything you need on Lichess. > The Susan Polgar's Books : "Learn chess the right way" may be a good solution > > However, it will be a long way ! I know about Polgar! A colleague in a different game used to use analogies, and talked about something called the french defense, and how black would play a certain move even if white made a move to "Fake stop it". He quoted her, even if I had to paraphrase a little because this was like 7 years ago, and the analogy was listened to absent mindedly cuz it was during mid game rambles.
#47

@wawabywibwib said in #45:

So I explored a few youtube channels, talked with some prospect coaches who reached out or advertised and think that the normal talking points and examples seem too dumbed down or common sense? There is stuff like DotA or LoL where by the time you get to a respectable rank or mmr, everyone has already put a lot of hours in and learned things that are hard for a new player to catch up to but chess players in the middle - "high" tiers here seem like bots? Idk, Chess doesn't seem sweaty at all, or almost casual. Less Valorant community more skyrim? Which is so weird to me because this game seems like it would have been like some super pretentious life or death hyper serious game, and i'm sure it is, but there seem to be a lot of expert players going around that I feel are worse than me :/

I have settled on a coach tho, who is super reputable in another game I played and has a background in semi pro chess so I kind of trust them , but my first looking through educational content and would be coaches seems like snake oil

I have messaged you in private chat, there we can continue the conversation.

@wawabywibwib said in #45: > So I explored a few youtube channels, talked with some prospect coaches who reached out or advertised and think that the normal talking points and examples seem too dumbed down or common sense? There is stuff like DotA or LoL where by the time you get to a respectable rank or mmr, everyone has already put a lot of hours in and learned things that are hard for a new player to catch up to but chess players in the middle - "high" tiers here seem like bots? Idk, Chess doesn't seem sweaty at all, or almost casual. Less Valorant community more skyrim? Which is so weird to me because this game seems like it would have been like some super pretentious life or death hyper serious game, and i'm sure it is, but there seem to be a lot of expert players going around that I feel are worse than me :/ > > I have settled on a coach tho, who is super reputable in another game I played and has a background in semi pro chess so I kind of trust them , but my first looking through educational content and would be coaches seems like snake oil I have messaged you in private chat, there we can continue the conversation.
#48

I gotta ask, are you REALLY a beginner? I mean no offense, but your questions are just extremely well 'targeted' from the first page onwards. I never see absolute beginners asking questions like that. You seem to have a fantastic understanding of 'what questions you need to be asking' already, and that game you showed was very good!

If so I'll give you a follow and watch your progress with interest, because I'd be willing to bet your rating is going to climb very rapidly by the way your questions seem to get to the heart of matters.

I'm certainly no expert (I've only just made it back to the 'beginner' rating of 1500 in rapid after a long slog), but for the basic tactics, I've found this the most helpful thing for me personally so far:

https://www.chesstactics.org/

It explains clearly the ideas of how to spot the tactics in game. Also, it's not interactive puzzles like most websites, which encourages you to visualise the moves in your head rather than give into the temptation of guessing like the interactive puzzles tempt you to.

In saying that, you can also get a HEAP of improvement from the interactive puzzles on here, especially puzzle streak, and going through different themes of puzzles in the puzzle dashboard.

Also, I was going to say learn about opening principles, but you seem like you've got a decent grasp on that already judging from that one game.

I gotta ask, are you REALLY a beginner? I mean no offense, but your questions are just extremely well 'targeted' from the first page onwards. I never see absolute beginners asking questions like that. You seem to have a fantastic understanding of 'what questions you need to be asking' already, and that game you showed was very good! If so I'll give you a follow and watch your progress with interest, because I'd be willing to bet your rating is going to climb very rapidly by the way your questions seem to get to the heart of matters. I'm certainly no expert (I've only just made it back to the 'beginner' rating of 1500 in rapid after a long slog), but for the basic tactics, I've found this the most helpful thing for me personally so far: https://www.chesstactics.org/ It explains clearly the ideas of how to spot the tactics in game. Also, it's not interactive puzzles like most websites, which encourages you to visualise the moves in your head rather than give into the temptation of guessing like the interactive puzzles tempt you to. In saying that, you can also get a HEAP of improvement from the interactive puzzles on here, especially puzzle streak, and going through different themes of puzzles in the puzzle dashboard. Also, I was going to say learn about opening principles, but you seem like you've got a decent grasp on that already judging from that one game.
#49

@DaveCromer A beginner in chess, but now that i'm more informed I am nowhere near beginner strength, whether or not that means i'm a top % Player in this game yet, I don't know enough to say.

I do probably understand this game, or some of it's virtues a lot better than actual chess players do tho!

I feel silly making this thread, but thanks and your advice definitely is consistent with what works for other games! I feel like I was just told to go to aim lab

@DaveCromer A beginner in chess, but now that i'm more informed I am nowhere near beginner strength, whether or not that means i'm a top % Player in this game yet, I don't know enough to say. I do probably understand this game, or some of it's virtues a lot better than actual chess players do tho! I feel silly making this thread, but thanks and your advice definitely is consistent with what works for other games! I feel like I was just told to go to aim lab
#50

@wawabywibwib I never heard of aim lab before. Just googled it and it looks interesting...

Out of interest, what are these other games you've played that make chess seem so (relatively) easy?

@wawabywibwib I never heard of aim lab before. Just googled it and it looks interesting... Out of interest, what are these other games you've played that make chess seem so (relatively) easy?

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