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Should FIDE ban the Israeli flag?

#21

@tpr said in #18:

  • Yes, in 1973 Egypt, Syria, Jordan and some other countries started the Yom Kippur War against Israel. Israel won that war with massive help of the United States and as a result occupied the Sinai, Gaza, the West Bank, East-Jerusalem, and the Golan. Israel gave the Sinai back to Egypt in exchange for the Egypt–Israel peace treaty. The rest remain occupied territories: per international law they are not part of Israel.

Yes, and this is just one of many attacks.

So, do you think FIDE should ban all Middle Eastern flags?

Israel is a state. A full scale war against Gaza is a disproportional reaction against a terrorist attack.

That is your personal opinion.
I, on the contrary, believe that Israel's response to the October 7 massacre was insufficient. Hamas still exists and still holds the bodies of the hostages.

"Ukraine captured part of Russian territory in the Kursk region" * A stupid incursion.

Moreover, since the Russian-Ukrainian border is very winding, Ukraine still holds many pieces of Russian territory. According to your logic, the Ukrainian flag should also be banned.

International authorities say differently.

The fact that Israel didn't commit genocide doesn't depend on the words of any international authorities.

The ICC has issued arrest warrants against Netanyahu, Ben-Gvir, and Smotrich and also against Hamas leaders, who already have been assassinated by Israel.

You told there are indictments, not arrest warrants. Are there any?

@tpr said in #18: > * Yes, in 1973 Egypt, Syria, Jordan and some other countries started the Yom Kippur War against Israel. Israel won that war with massive help of the United States and as a result occupied the Sinai, Gaza, the West Bank, East-Jerusalem, and the Golan. Israel gave the Sinai back to Egypt in exchange for the Egypt–Israel peace treaty. The rest remain occupied territories: per international law they are not part of Israel. Yes, and this is just one of many attacks. So, do you think FIDE should ban all Middle Eastern flags? > Israel is a state. A full scale war against Gaza is a disproportional reaction against a terrorist attack. That is your personal opinion. I, on the contrary, believe that Israel's response to the October 7 massacre was insufficient. Hamas still exists and still holds the bodies of the hostages. > "Ukraine captured part of Russian territory in the Kursk region" * A stupid incursion. Moreover, since the Russian-Ukrainian border is very winding, Ukraine still holds many pieces of Russian territory. According to your logic, the Ukrainian flag should also be banned. > International authorities say differently. The fact that Israel didn't commit genocide doesn't depend on the words of any international authorities. > The ICC has issued arrest warrants against Netanyahu, Ben-Gvir, and Smotrich and also against Hamas leaders, who already have been assassinated by Israel. You told there are indictments, not arrest warrants. Are there any?
#22

@nadjarostowa said in #14:

What are your thoughts on the idea FIDE banning the Israeli flag?
This would be similar to what they did with the Russian and Belarusian flags

Actually, the similar thing to do would be to ban the Palestinian flag.

So ban the palestinian flag and keep the israeli one ?

(≖_≖ )

I think this is a moot point anyway given their current list of players.

I just wanted to point out that the analogy was completely upside down. We don't stand with the weak, we stand the victims.

Palestine (you might say their bad leadership, but that's beyond the point) has done everything to increase civilian losses and keep the military actions going.

Palestine was the aggressor and could stop the war at any time, just like Russia.

Ukraine and Israel are defending. The fact that Israel is much better equipped in that fight is irrelevant.

Israel is indeed defending its colony and Palestinians are aggressing the colonizers, this happened in every western colony. Moroccans, algerians and vietnamese fought against french colonizers, indians, nigerians and jamaicans fought againt the english colonizers. Nothing new

@nadjarostowa said in #14: > > > > What are your thoughts on the idea FIDE banning the Israeli flag? > > > > This would be similar to what they did with the Russian and Belarusian flags > > > > > > Actually, the similar thing to do would be to ban the Palestinian flag. > > > > So ban the palestinian flag and keep the israeli one ? > > > > (≖_≖ ) > > I think this is a moot point anyway given their current list of players. > > I just wanted to point out that the analogy was completely upside down. We don't stand with the weak, we stand the victims. > > Palestine (you might say their bad leadership, but that's beyond the point) has done everything to increase civilian losses and keep the military actions going. > > Palestine was the aggressor and could stop the war at any time, just like Russia. > > Ukraine and Israel are defending. The fact that Israel is much better equipped in that fight is irrelevant. Israel is indeed defending its colony and Palestinians are aggressing the colonizers, this happened in every western colony. Moroccans, algerians and vietnamese fought against french colonizers, indians, nigerians and jamaicans fought againt the english colonizers. Nothing new
#23

@PensiveWhale said in #21:

The fact that Israel didn't commit genocide doesn't depend on the words of any international authorities.

Some people hold similar opinions about the Nuremburg Trials.

@PensiveWhale said in #21: > The fact that Israel didn't commit genocide doesn't depend on the words of any international authorities. Some people hold similar opinions about the Nuremburg Trials.
#24

@EDTA532 said in #22:

Israel is indeed defending its colony

Israel doesn't have any colonies.

@BrokenJester said in #23:

Some people hold similar opinions about the Nuremburg Trials.

This means they are mistaken and ignore all the evidence that was presented at Nuremburg Trials.

@EDTA532 said in #22: > Israel is indeed defending its colony Israel doesn't have any colonies. @BrokenJester said in #23: > Some people hold similar opinions about the Nuremburg Trials. This means they are mistaken and ignore all the evidence that was presented at Nuremburg Trials.
#25

I don't think that this question belongs into the sub-forum "General Chess Discussion", this should be in "Off-topic Discussion" since it is purely political, even if it has FIDE in the subject.

I don't think that this question belongs into the sub-forum "General Chess Discussion", this should be in "Off-topic Discussion" since it is purely political, even if it has FIDE in the subject.
#26

@PensiveWhale said in #24:

Israel is indeed defending its colony

Israel doesn't have any colonies.

@BrokenJester said in #23:

Some people hold similar opinions about the Nuremburg Trials.

This means they are mistaken and ignore all the evidence that was presented at Nuremburg Trials.

Yes you are right, Israel IS the colony

@PensiveWhale said in #24: > > Israel is indeed defending its colony > > Israel doesn't have any colonies. > > @BrokenJester said in #23: > > Some people hold similar opinions about the Nuremburg Trials. > > This means they are mistaken and ignore all the evidence that was presented at Nuremburg Trials. Yes you are right, Israel IS the colony
#27

@pwg said in #25:

I don't think that this question belongs into the sub-forum "General Chess Discussion", this should be in "Off-topic Discussion" since it is purely political, even if it has FIDE in the subject.

exactly, wtf is this doing in general chess discussion?

@pwg said in #25: > I don't think that this question belongs into the sub-forum "General Chess Discussion", this should be in "Off-topic Discussion" since it is purely political, even if it has FIDE in the subject. exactly, wtf is this doing in general chess discussion?
#28

#21
The fact that Israel did commit genocide in Gaza is well-documented, see, e.g. the 503 references of
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaza_genocide.

#21 The fact that Israel did commit genocide in Gaza is well-documented, see, e.g. the 503 references of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaza_genocide.
#29

#25
"purely political"

  • A flag is political and represents the actions of the government.
    The cleanest is to ban all flags: gens una summus.
#25 "purely political" * A flag is political and represents the actions of the government. The cleanest is to ban all flags: gens una summus.