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Lie detection for chess

#21

@griffindabeast said in #20:

@Toscani I think you’ve watched too many sci-fi movies.
Or is it the other way around...

@griffindabeast said in #20: > @Toscani I think you’ve watched too many sci-fi movies. Or is it the other way around...
#22

@Toscani said in #15:

Even if the lie detector test was AI built like a cheat detection system, chess players would probably never agree to take the lie detector test.

and that would be very smart of them. because, as people here posted multiple times, lie detectors do not work. would you agree to a mechanism deciding your fate that advertises a failure rate of at least 8%?

@Toscani said in #15: > Even if the lie detector test was AI built like a cheat detection system, chess players would probably never agree to take the lie detector test. and that would be very smart of them. because, as people here posted multiple times, lie detectors do not work. would you agree to a mechanism deciding your fate that advertises a failure rate of at least 8%?
#24

@Alientcp said in #6:

Cheating is NOT a major problem at GM level, and when something fishy is going on, it can easily be reviewed by algorithms and patterns.

All I can say is: I hope it's cozy under that rock you're living under.

@Alientcp said in #6: > Cheating is NOT a major problem at GM level, and when something fishy is going on, it can easily be reviewed by algorithms and patterns. All I can say is: I hope it's cozy under that rock you're living under.
#25

AI surveillance tools that monitor already exist. So it's not science fiction. It only needs to be applied to chess.
So the lie detector does not work, but there are alternatives.

https://carnegieendowment.org/2019/09/17/global-expansion-of-ai-surveillance-pub-79847

AI surveillance tools that monitor already exist. So it's not science fiction. It only needs to be applied to chess. So the lie detector does not work, but there are alternatives. https://carnegieendowment.org/2019/09/17/global-expansion-of-ai-surveillance-pub-79847
#26

@AsDaGo said in #24:

All I can say is: I hope it's cozy under that rock you're living under.
Same for me the Pizza guy.

@AsDaGo said in #24: > All I can say is: I hope it's cozy under that rock you're living under. Same for me the Pizza guy.
#27

Toscani's take on the "1984" world: small price to pay to get rid of chess cheaters! :)

Toscani's take on the "1984" world: small price to pay to get rid of chess cheaters! :)
#28

AI's don't live under a rock. They are the rock that's gathering knowledge. Cheat detection is already in chess sites. The next step probably should be to combine their efforts to merge chess profiles into one. Combining the cheat detection systems into one organisation. If one chess site bans, then the ban works for all chess sites. A cheater would not be able to play on another chess sites, because they would all be using the same database or same chess player profile. One way or another, dishonesty increases with repetition. So sooner or later a cheater gets caught by the repeated offences.

https://time.com/4540707/lying-lies-brain/

AI's don't live under a rock. They are the rock that's gathering knowledge. Cheat detection is already in chess sites. The next step probably should be to combine their efforts to merge chess profiles into one. Combining the cheat detection systems into one organisation. If one chess site bans, then the ban works for all chess sites. A cheater would not be able to play on another chess sites, because they would all be using the same database or same chess player profile. One way or another, dishonesty increases with repetition. So sooner or later a cheater gets caught by the repeated offences. https://time.com/4540707/lying-lies-brain/
#29

@griffindabeast said in #20:

@Toscani i think you’ve watched too many sci-fi movies.
But not more than me!
Still, their hypothetical case never ends.
Probably they are thinking of next step after already having cheat detection at chess sites.
But I doubt an AI cause it can't dictate han lives. It's actually troubling people and is harmful.
There are several ways to have a better approach. An AI system isn't necessarily needed.

@griffindabeast said in #20: > @Toscani i think you’ve watched too many sci-fi movies. But not more than me! Still, their hypothetical case never ends. Probably they are thinking of next step after already having cheat detection at chess sites. But I doubt an AI cause it can't dictate han lives. It's actually troubling people and is harmful. There are several ways to have a better approach. An AI system isn't necessarily needed.

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