lichess is infested with cheaters, at this point it's just unplayable

btw chess is hard game, even if gm s can blunder on opening phases, if your rival never blunders or plays faster than you on the every turn that mean he she is using asisstant, the ai chess bots are perfect right now

hmmmm thought i'd do a bit of investigating ,wish i had not ! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LCZ_VrlmMF0

I think cheaters are quite rare. Most of them are inept at it and get caught and banned fairly quickly. Don't worry about cheaters, worry about your own game.

@createforapassion said in #51:

btw chess is hard game, even if gm s can blunder on opening phases, if your rival never blunders or plays faster than you on the every turn that mean he she is using asisstant, the ai chess bots are perfect right now
So if I hang my queen on move two then my opponent is cheating?

@Autofill said in #54:

So if I hang my queen on move two then my opponent is cheating?
wtf read what i wrote again, people cant play that weel all the time without titles, dont forget this

@createforapassion said in #55:

wtf read what i wrote again, people cant play that weel all the time without titles, dont forget this
You wrote that if someone didnt blunder they are cheating

@C-Bear said in #7:

IT's practically pointless to play on here. So many cheaters, nothing being done about it. And If you complain the mods simply lie. I already went off to an other site because of it.

I get your point and I've seen the arguments made both for and against you.
To be brutally honest, chess is a game of humility, meaning those with larger ego's do tend to despise when someone with a lower rating beats them in a brutal manner (Not having a dig at you, just pointing something out).
And yes, unfortunately cheating is a serious problem. Not just in chess, but everywhere else.
The thing is you need to be the bigger person in situations like this. if you get smoked by a player with a lower rating, simply say 'gg' and if you think they are cheating, you should follow these criteria:

1. Check the accuracy of the game. Often this will be a blatant standout if someone is cheating or not. The lichess engine tends to punish very small things, so if they're say 800 and play to an accuracy of a titled player, then that's a reasonable reason to question the validity of the win.
2. Check the move times during the game: IF you think a player is suspicious, check their move time, it will usually be around 5 to 7 seconds, in this time (if they are cheating) they will play the move you made into their engine, wait for a response from the engine, and them play that move in your game.
3. check the game for moves that seem to make no sense: This is a little loose, seeing as rating is a major factor in this. IF an opponent plays an incredibly strange move, like sacrificing a rook for a pawn in an equal position, then you have very right to question this. If the mods find nothing wrong, this may have just simply been luck or a stroke of genius.

I am sorry that you've gone through all the hate from the forum, as you seem like a nice guy. But just remember before you fire bullets, remember who you're aiming them at.

@ohcomeon_1 said in #46:

So nobody knows... except you.
I didn't say I know, I said in my opinion. NOBODY knows how many cheat undetected because that is what undetected means.

@ohcomeon_1 said in #47:

Because you put "nobody" in all caps, you think you have a convincing argument?

I think I trust AI and statistics experts working for chess.com way more than a random dude on the internet with dubious credentials spouting blanket, categorical statements.
If an "expert" says they know how many undetected cheaters there are, then they are not an expert, they are an idiot. Undetected means you don't know who they are.

Credentials? For the record, I am a qualified scientist and understand statistics, but am not an expert on cheat detection on websites. No scientist would claim to know how many unknowns they have with certainty, is what I am claiming.

I may write a thread on a scientific way to check how good the cheat detection is. The method would require the permission of the website, as it would be a deliberate attempt to beat the detection in controlled ways.

And will you guys stop being so horrible to people who have an opinion. There is no point in having a forum if you can't have differing opinions and debate them in a civilised way.

One user saying you think there is little cheating is a reasonable opinion. Another person saying they think there is a lot of cheating is also taking a reasonable position. Anyone trying to silence people by being hostile to differing opinions should be kicked off the forum.

Another thing the people who say there is little cheating don't realise, is that we may have already scientifically tested the website's ability to detect cheating in secret and know the result. The result may have been statistically analysed. We know you are wrong. THINK ABOUT IT!

@Autofill said in #56:

You wrote that if someone didnt blunder they are cheating
dude idc what your thinking, your are 1.8 noby for me, i did noy say BLUNDER, İ SAİD MİSTAKES OR İNACCRİSİES, if person makes mistakes your next move will be easier to answer, you are probably low iq noob so, you can event understand the differences, and thought that, i am talkin about just leaving a full piece for free.İt s always hilarious dealing with the idiouty hahaha, and also blunder has to be played now and than even gm s like super gm s blunder