Of all the games I've played here, only a handful of times I've suspected my opponent of cheating. At least from my experience, I can say that Lichess is not infested with cheaters.
@gradienthinking, why don't you share some of the games where you believe your opponents cheated? If you don't want to make allegations against players in public directly, you could import the PGN of some of these games, and then share. In that way, players would also be anonymous.
I have played on 4 different platforms so far, and for my skill level I can say that Lichess is the site with the fewest cheaters. Obviously you can never be 100 % on this, but I'm sure I didn't even face 1 cheater in my last 100 games on Lichess.
computer says his accuracy is 99%
@Cedur216 said in #24:
> Cheaters are rare, but smart cheaters that go undetected off Lichess' advanced cheat detection are even rarer. Most cheaters are quite silly
Erm no. Absolutely not.
Undetected cheating is undetected. NOBODY has any way to know how many undetected there are, by definition. You simply can't say undetected cheating is rare, as you simply have no way of knowing.
My opinion? There is a lot more cheating than people realise. There is a lot more cheating than the people running the websites admit (or possibly know).
People are using assistance in the opening, which is rarely flagged as cheating. I am convinced of that.
@ohcomeon_1 said in #31:
> No one knows? It is simply not true. Teams in charge of ensuring fair play on chess websites have a pretty good idea of how many people cheat on their platforms. A while ago chess.com actually disseminated some of that in their report on the alleged cheating of Hans Niemann. I made a thread about it half a year ago: lichess.org/forum/general-chess-discussion/intersting-thing-is-hans-niemann-report-cheaters-are-rare-20
Again, this is incorrect. NOBODY has any way of knowing how many players cheat undetected.
@Pimander said in #45:
> My opinion? There is a lot more cheating than people realise. There is a lot more cheating than the people running the websites admit (or possibly know).
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> People are using assistance in the opening, which is rarely flagged as cheating. I am convinced of that.
So nobody knows... except you.
@Pimander said in #46:
> Again, this is incorrect. NOBODY has any way of knowing how many players cheat undetected.
Because you put "nobody" in all caps, you think you have a convincing argument?
I think I trust AI and statistics experts working for chess.com way more than a random dude on the internet with dubious credentials spouting blanket, categorical statements.
@Pimander said in #45:
> Erm no. Absolutely not.
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> Undetected cheating is undetected. NOBODY has any way to know how many undetected there are, by definition. You simply can't say undetected cheating is rare, as you simply have no way of knowing.
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> My opinion? There is a lot more cheating than people realise. There is a lot more cheating than the people running the websites admit (or possibly know).
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> People are using assistance in the opening, which is rarely flagged as cheating. I am convinced of that.
@Pimander, I understand your concern about the prevalence of undetected cheating. However, I'd like to point out that in a 5-minute game, constantly referring to external assistance for opening moves might not be as advantageous as one might think. The time spent switching back and forth would consume a significant portion of the player's allotted time. Additionally, once the opponent deviates from the standard opening moves or makes a suboptimal move, they'll likely have some understanding of the position's nuances, either from prior knowledge or active engagement in the opening. On the other hand, the cheater would be left without any real understanding of the position's plans, strengths, or weaknesses. Thus, I don't see this providing much of an advantage, at least in a fast-paced game. In a longer, 1-hour game, however, the impact of such assistance might be more significant.
What has happened to post #43 in this thread, did it just vanish(?) - as there is no marker to signify deletion, but no icon to indicate posting, just a post #42, followed by a post #44.
you guys have no idea about cheating, there are some people who uses the ai cheating bots and these bots make humanoid plays and does actuall inaccurisies and mistakes but overall plays strongly, sometimes i play these kind of people for example, https://lichess.org/@/haggai666 this guys beats me every other turn and he is 2k ' s player and but he cant manage to get 2.2k or 2.3k , i faced lots of these kind of players they generaly makes strong moves when you accuse them it is bots playing they suddenly start thinking slowly and makes weaker moves as i expect, but on the other hand i get message from lichess because i accused them to cheating.İf you lose some player on your rank just dont play again, i did that mistake lots of times and make my self red angry and couldnt hold my self to say bad things to that players.Anyway i think lichess has to give mods on every 100 rank ranges so, these peoples ban these bot players.İ mean that guy i have mentioned played 5 perfect move at last 2 second but, in the other turn there was just different kind of slow weak player.You sometimes just know or feel the players strength
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