Yet another one, fallen victim to the lichess-cheating-paranioa.
20% of moves using your own mind is not nearly enough to escape the cheating algorithm. If you want to escape the cheating algorithm, only 1 or 2 moves with the engine is possible in the long term, without getting caught. Using these 1-2 moves per game in a random position is pretty pointless, so you need to learn to spot critical moments. Then you also have to not lose before these critical moments, you have to convert the advantage you get too, etc etc etc. Many who cheat, cheat to improve their rating without much effort, the skills required for cheating without getting caught immediately are only with the top 3-5%, which if you are at that point, why bother cheating and risk ruining your reputation? And if you are not at that level, well you are putting in the effort to get better at chess, you have all the puzzle peices to be a good chess player, just missing one peice ( calculation ), and you still want to risk it by using the engine and not putting in the tiny bit more effort to become better? Cheating damages the cheaters skills long term, and it ruins everyone's day. Most people understand that and don't cheat, the small minority which do are those who treat chess like a video game, the rating being the reward system. They will try to increase their rating no matter what it takes. Long term damage? Who cares. Today I gain 100 points, I will think of Tommrow, Tommrow. Ruins everyone's games? It's just a game, nobody cares.
And this old but gold read:
https://www.reddit.com/r/chess/comments/9s9ml8/comment/e8n9uwg/
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Instead these systems are based more on probability. Big websites have millions of games to analyse - including games with confirmed GMs to learn from. A fraud detection algorithm can consider unlimited questions like:
If black has a 3 pawn lead but lots of unguarded pieces and down a knight, how likely are they to aggressively recapture instead of defend?
If black has been playing aggressively, how likely are they to play a very difficult to calculate defensive move?
When black has 15 available moves, 10 of which are pretty good, how long will it take for black to play a move?
Black has played 20 straight GM level moves and has a strong material lead. What are the odds that black will now play an amateur blunder? A "look I'm not cheating" move?
Is black suddenly playing like a GM whenever there's one really important move?
Does black suddenly play very well mid game if they are slightly behind? How likely is a human to do that?
Is black playing hard to calculate moves just as fast as easy to calculate recaptures?
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Paranoia accusations and links to cheating algorithms seriously , gods, get a life I’m really not bothered with your bull plop. Talk as much as you want. There are some of us humans that can untangle your web of lies because we ‘stayed’ through all your crap . Yes. Some of us are still loving human beings that you didn’t collect with your utter **** . You have no clue what is coming xxx
I have come to pronounce judgement upon this thread ...
@boilingFrog said in #24:
> I have come to pronounce judgement upon this thread ...
Oh very funny ,you think we are powerless to do anything against the gods. Ok well watch this space................. It’s God almighty xxx
Well, anyways, I have some background in computers and such, etc, etc ... and it seem to me it's now eminently plausible to cheat successfully at online chess ... at least ...
Also it seems clear this 'unstoppable tek' can be 'weaponized' by some given gaming site by its own operators to 'discourage' or otherwise drive away users having what many might consider an 'undesirable digital persona' ...
And by 'digital persona' I guess I am really talking about what seems now to be a well established de facto 'internet social credit score' ...
You cannot cheat successfully over a longer period of time. You have to ask yourself at every move: this might be a good move but is the continuation plausible for humans? Where is the point of my move, is it realistic for a human? Is the trend becoming too smooth? Are there continuations where I can play independently?
Look at this one: engine says Rxf7 which might be a human’s choice as well. But how to follow up? It’s pretty difficult without your Si friend. You have to play using the whole board, left side, right side, center, left, right ...
https://lichess.org/forum/general-chess-discussion/interesting-position-for-catching-out-cheaters-d#1
If someone cheat 80% of moves he is going to be catched in less than a week for sure. I doubt that 20% of moves would escape either. And event cheating on truly critical moments probably gets caught eventually. Models work somehow in lines of this paper
https://cse.buffalo.edu/~regan/personal/JuneCLarticleKWR.pdf
And give OP strength the cheaters he is observing are not very good at what they do as they still are at such low rating. cheating 8 move out then would propel on in classic well over 2000
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