If Hans is cheating, then how is he doing it?

@Molurus said in #10:

And on the assumption than you actually believe it is proven that Hans didn't cheat, your OP can only be a troll post.

So you really think that Hans put a vibrating dildo inside himself?? You actually think that? Antarctica temperature IQ.

Martians visited him one night while he was sleeping. They implanted a special thingy somewhere about his person. They can move forwards and backwards in time and thus can overcome the time delays in the games and give him moves recommended by MarFish.

These moves are sent to him via this hidden receiver ( I’m not sure that their name for it as personally I can’t speak Martian), All he has to do is fidget, look disinterested and then play these genius moves.

That’s proof enough isn’t it?

@Molurus said in #6:

There is a large group of people (including Carlsen himself) that just doesn't trust him. Saying those people accuse him of cheating and should prove it is just a bad debating strategy.

I need to edit, I miss read a bit.

magnus did imply hanns cheated against him. he quit the tournament and implied hanns cheated. To now say magnus didn't imply cheating is weak. magnus and anyone else who accuses hanns of cheating has the burden of proof.

also

@Tim_Pool said in #3:

Why are so many people jumping on Niemann's dick these days? Just stop. He cheated.

the burden in on tim.

@BorisOspasky said in #12:

That’s proof enough isn’t it?

Yes it definitely is sufficient proof :D it's still more evidence than any of the accusers have hahaha

@h2b2

Yes
You are right

@LillyStrikesBack By agreeing with me, you realise you’ve painted a great big target on your back don’t you? Those knives will be thrusting deep.. ‘you heretic’, they cry, ‘burn at the stake’, they wail..

In medieval times, they used to make heretics pick up red hot metal.. if their hand fell off, they were a heretic, if it didn’t and it miraculously healed, they were a heretic.

The ducking chair employed a similar type of idea. You were tied to a chair and thrown in the river. When they hauled you out, if you’d drowned you were a heretic and if you just happed to still be breathing, you were... also a heretic!

Now that’s what I call evidence!

@Molurus said in #8:

You can't possibly prove a negative. That's a common fallacy.

in tech and science you often make use of negatives if there is no proper detection method for a substance and its a closed system. you dont always need 100% accuracy to be able to make things work or to come to meaningful conclusions.

if there is a video you can def prove that he did not raise his fist. thats very easy to do, just watch the video.
now you can go on and say he probably has bionic implants that make him able to move his fist so fast the video wouldnt catch even a frame of it and his jacket is 99% elasthan and its substantial evidence at best, but no proof and throw in some doubts about the legitimacy of the video itself and yada yada.
it wouldve been perfectly fine to ask him how on earth the video footage proves anything and nobody was so far smart enough to have a proper look at it. ofc its a ridiculous statement.
instead you chose to throw a false tantrum. we live and play chess in the real world where up is up and down is down. once we start to question our perception like a philosopher we will run around in endless circles. no debate will ever end. no evidence will be good enough, every eye witness report is part of a conspiracy.

what people seem to forget is that the ACCUSER is bound to provide evidence and once that evidence is on the table the ACCUSED may try to refute it.
but once you live in an upside down world where its OK to throw around unsubstantiated accusations, why not get lost in technicalities and terminology to throw some red herrings?

If Hans cheats, then we can ask this about "what the reason and why?"
I strongly believe that he didnt cheat on Magnus game, BUT. After watching the stats by engines by Hikarus videos and literally the 99% of people acussing him to Cheat and no trusting lad, I say by the Political Answer of the comunity, He is a Professional Cheater.(just being sarcastic)
By the side, anyone who is saying "he didnt cheat" its getting attack, so come on, respect the opinion of other players who believe the opossite side :/
They have there reason to believe that...
Anyways, i guess we could stop talking about this... Soon the truth will come, late or early but it will come, and that will be the justice of Hans carrier.
By the way, its hard to acusse someone without evidence on hand.
Aaaand long live the Pawn xD

@Tim_Pool said in #3:

Why are so many people jumping on Niemann's dick these days? Just stop. He cheated.

Disregarding the answer to the question if he cheated OTB or not (we may never know), it is fascinating how a large group of people insists on defending a guy who actually has cheated over 100 games online.

Somehow people love an asshole. Be it Trump, Fischer or Niemann. They love them.

Which leaves me with the question: why? I find that question much more interesting than the question of whether or not Niemann cheated OTB.

@Rookitiki said in #17:

what people seem to forget is that the ACCUSER is bound to provide evidence and once that evidence is on the table the ACCUSED may try to refute it.
but once you live in an upside down world where its OK to throw around unsubstantiated accusations, why not get lost in technicalities and terminology to throw some red herrings?

As I've pointed out.. many people defending Niemann accuse people who don't trust him of accusing him of cheating. While they actually don't.

This, to me, is just a silly debating strategy. If I say that I don't trust him, I don't have any burdon of proof. I just don't trust him.

Now you might say: "innocent until proven guilty". And I would agree. Here's the probleem: Niemann cannot be called innocent. He has actually cheated over 100 games. Do we really need to prove he cheated 101?

As far as I'm concerned, Niemann's credibility has already been completely distroyed by himself. Which makes the question 'did he cheat OTB against Carlsen?' not all that interesting.