Difference between ban and shadowban?

@ohcomeon_1 said in #10:

But you were clearly not, so in your case it must be one of the reasons I mentioned.
How do you know? how are you so sure? is yours an official statement? are you a volunteer in lichess? what is your position within the organization? How can you say " ... you were clearly not ..." substanciate please I am curious and I want to learn.

@Artem-Kozirev said in #11:

How do you know? how are you so sure? is yours an official statement? are you a volunteer in lichess? what is your position within the organization? How can you say " ... you were clearly not ..." substanciate please I am curious and I want to learn.

Oh my... How do I know??? If you were shadow-banned I wouldn't be able to reply to your posts, wouldn't I?

@ohcomeon_1 A Shadow ban can be executed at different levels, even to a specific thread, private messages, whatever the site wants. My messages could flow in all other threads except in the specific shadow banned thread, also shado bans can take place for a specific amount of time, e.g. until moderators check the messages, or just as a cool down measure when the thread goes in an unwanted direction, then the site save resources, moderation time, hard feeling from users and steers things in the direction they want . So the fact you are reading my post is not conclusive or meaningful as you can see...

@Artem-Kozirev said in #13:

@ohcomeon_1 A Shadow ban can be executed at different levels, even to a specific thread, private messages, whatever the site wants. My messages could flow in all other threads except in the specific shadow banned thread, also shado bans can take place for a specific amount of time, e.g. until moderators check the messages, or just as a cool down measure when the thread goes in an unwanted direction, then the site save resources, moderation time, hard feeling from users and steers things in the direction they want . So the fact you are reading my post is not conclusive or meaningful as you can see...

And where did all this come from? What position within lichess do you hold?

But continuing a genuine discussion with you will probably get me shadow banned, so I am signing off. If you do not see replies to your posts from me, it is not because you've been banned, it's one of the other reasons I mentioned earlier.

@anonmod
I will abuse of your indulgence to have a couple of questions answered from your position of moderator in lichess. In advance I apologise for my wrong doing (whatever it may be) I have not bad intentions.

1. First of all please let me know if I am perpetrating a hijack or any other illegal action with this thread , if so then I will inmediately unsuscribe and will not any longer write here. I have to ask because it is not clear to me ( I am kind of slow ) what is in your particular understanding and expert view "unrelated" content or questions and I do not want to make mistakes that could in any way offend the community or anyone else.
2. In case everything is ok in the first point then I proceed with the question, basically the question is if lichess applies shadow bans in certain situations and if so perhaps you could briefly explain how it works (or give us a link about it) so as to shed light on this matter, thank you.

@Artem-Kozirev said in #15:

@ohcomeon_1 Ok sign off quick and keep a low profile. If this was a game of chess that would be resignation in view of inminent checkmate lol
turn off the light on your way out, thanks.

If you think you checkmated me and it gives you a warm, fuzzy feeling, go ahead, enjoy it.

@Artem-Kozirev said in #2:

My claims to improve and make the site transparent and in line with the law (For example United Nations has made cyberspace equivalent to the real world regarding Human Rights -one of them is free speech - the right to exist -the right to cyberexist and they cannot kill your cyberlife at anytime and without explanations - etc. etc. ) but lichess has not at all updated the TOS so far

As a private company they do not have to do that to be in the legality, do they? And I think the OP was talking about play-ban not chat-ban, I don't even know if chat-shadow-ban exists here.

And to the OP I don't think you can differentiate it as the not shadow-banned user, he will just not be allowed to play in tournaments, and for us he'll appear the same as any marked player.
For him tho the question is do the mark appear on the profile page or not? If it does then there would virtually be no difference between a 'shadow-banned' player and a 'normal-banned' player right? Besides that one actually pay attention to their profile page.

@Hitsugaya said in #18:

As a private company they do not have to do that to be in the legality, do they? And I think the OP was talking about play-ban not chat-ban, I don't even know if chat-shadow-ban exists here.

And to the OP I don't think you can differentiate it as the not shadow-banned user, he will just not be allowed to play in tournaments, and for us he'll appear the same as any marked player.
For him tho the question is do the mark appear on the profile page or not? If it does then there would virtually be no difference between a 'shadow-banned' player and a 'normal-banned' player right? Besides that one actually pay attention to their profile page.

Lichess is not a private company as you say (chess.com is private), lichess is a charitable organization, quite differnt from an administrative, legal and functional point of view. In any case private companies or charitable organizations cannot be above the law that is also a misconception.

if the rest is for the OP you should address the OP who can clarify btter what were the exact meaning of his questions or doubts.
In any case his question as it is stated in the headline speaks of ban and shadow ban in generall and in a comprehensive way including of course what you mention about playing tournaments. If lichess is currently applying shadow bans is a question I have made to a moderator who is entitled to answer, I am waiting for his/her answer on behalf of lichess.

@Artem-Kozirev said in #19:

Lichess is not a private company as you say (chess.com is private), lichess is a charitable organization, quite differnt from an administrative, legal and functional point of view. In any case private companies or charitable organizations cannot be above the law that is also a misconception.

Sure, my mistake, but the question remains what law do they break?

if the rest is for the OP you should address the OP who can clarify btter what were the exact meaning of his questions or doubts.

It is, I figured there was no point into pinging him since it's his thread, he'll come back and see the message eventually.

@Hitsugaya said in #20:

Sure, my mistake, but the question remains what law do they break?

United Nation sets the guidelines, every country has to adapt the legislation to the UN directives and make sure that within the jurisdiction of that country the law is enforced, means everyone complies with the law and all companies, individuals and organizations make the necessary adaptations to comply with any new law, if that does not happen that country could be punished or sanctioned by UN and in turn this country could punish or sanction the company or organization or individual.

Which law they break? from none to many, depends on the countriy's specific legislation and then you have cyberspace and cyberlaw and jurisdiction discussion. For example chess.com is illegal and banned in Russia for violating a number of laws that make sense and apply to chess.com for being an American company operating in Russia in the middle of a world conflict, then they are accused of espionage, or being a threat to the security of Russia, whatever, nevertheless they can operate in the rest of the world without breaking any law.

Licheess is different, it is more independent, non profit, plural, not American-biased so to speak then it is not seen as a threat by Russia and then operates.

Complying and adhering to UN mandate speaks very much in favor of any country or organization, a similar idea to those clothe brands that certify that the clothes you buy have been produced according to fair trade and fair bussiness and no human has been abused or slaved to produce what you are buying. If a company in his TOS declares to comply with Human Rights as required by UN (even when that may not be mandatory) is a real plus bonus specially at the time of fund raising and gives tranquility to the users/associates.