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#33

@ MarkIorio said in #20:

>I just saw the video here: www.chess.com/fair-play#checks
Yet, it's all useless since players are allowed to wear headphones during the games.

Below is the list of events on chesscom and the "headphones yes/no" rule for each of them. Why the differentiation? These robots can read the moves out loud, with headphones no one can control whether the audio with the moves is mixed only to the headphone output:

Titled Tuesdays headphones allowed: Yes, if not in FP Zoom call.
Pro Chess League headphones allowed: No
CCT Qualifiers No
CCT Events No
SCC Qualifiers Yes, if not in FP Zoom call.
SCC Qualifiers No
SCC Main No
Bullet Brawl Yes
Bullet Chess Championship Yes
BCC Qualifiers Yes
BCC Qualifiers Bracket Yes
Arena Kings Yes
Variants Community Yes
Variants Community Series (Championship) No

@ MarkIorio said in #20: > >I just saw the video here: www.chess.com/fair-play#checks > Yet, it's all useless since players are allowed to wear headphones during the games. Below is the list of events on chesscom and the "headphones yes/no" rule for each of them. Why the differentiation? These robots can read the moves out loud, with headphones no one can control whether the audio with the moves is mixed only to the headphone output: Titled Tuesdays headphones allowed: Yes, if not in FP Zoom call. Pro Chess League headphones allowed: No CCT Qualifiers No CCT Events No SCC Qualifiers Yes, if not in FP Zoom call. SCC Qualifiers No SCC Main No Bullet Brawl Yes Bullet Chess Championship Yes BCC Qualifiers Yes BCC Qualifiers Bracket Yes Arena Kings Yes Variants Community Yes Variants Community Series (Championship) No
#34

@HCB1983 said in #24:

Dude, that is a very long post. Hear me out on this:
It is very long, because sometimes someone who is ignorant is not necessarily stupid, so it's only fair to offer explanations.
1.There is no way to prevent selective cheating.
You are wrong. I have already stated that.
The rest of what you have written is also wrong, with the exception of the opening encyclopedia, which I consider to be a kernel of unchewed corn in your turd of a response.
5. I will move on to other things more important than debating this. I have better things to do than to chat with imaginary people.
Thank you.

edit - I now consider my response to be too rude. Please take into account that this topic has been covered many times, as many people stumble upon some misinformed perspective on chess cheating and come to gripe in this forum that nothing is being done about it. If there is no response, then they presume their opinion is fact, whereas the truth is that Lichess, for example, have been repelling cheaters for a very long time now, they are in fact experts at it.

@HCB1983 said in #24: > Dude, that is a very long post. Hear me out on this: It is very long, because sometimes someone who is ignorant is not necessarily stupid, so it's only fair to offer explanations. > 1.There is no way to prevent selective cheating. You are wrong. I have already stated that. The rest of what you have written is also wrong, with the exception of the opening encyclopedia, which I consider to be a kernel of unchewed corn in your turd of a response. > 5. I will move on to other things more important than debating this. I have better things to do than to chat with imaginary people. Thank you. *edit* - I now consider my response to be too rude. Please take into account that this topic has been covered many times, as many people stumble upon some misinformed perspective on chess cheating and come to gripe in this forum that nothing is being done about it. If there is no response, then they presume their opinion is fact, whereas the truth is that Lichess, for example, have been repelling cheaters for a very long time now, they are in fact experts at it.
#35

These cheating can be detected easily especilly by lichess

These cheating can be detected easily especilly by lichess
#36

@HCB1983 said in #31:

Lets not obscure cheat detection. Something so specific as detecting engine use cannot be kept in shadows and accepted.
Kaladin for example is on github.
The burden of proving that a sistem is fault proof is on the one that asserts that.
Nothing is fault proof. The complexity of getting away with cheating to the kind of level you are referring is beyond what would be even remotely viable.
I, a regular club player and way more proficient players conclude that selective cheating cannot be detected, that it never was. You have to prove that it is detectable, and cannot do that keeping the process in secret.
As above
And I have the right express my concern, as former World champion Kramnik an Caruana and many others do. For what reason big names don't play at all at slower times, and if so only with other titled player some of which they would know? We are playing against players that assist their games. How often it happens its hard to tell. That it is marginal, all hints go against that.
That is not important, understand what cheaters are up against before assuming they will get away with it.
If you really are interested, you can start here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8tDqjkN7F3s
If there is anything "mathsy" you want to reference, 3blue1brown on youtube has somewhat "intuitive" statistics explanations.

@HCB1983 said in #31: > Lets not obscure cheat detection. Something so specific as detecting engine use cannot be kept in shadows and accepted. Kaladin for example is on github. >The burden of proving that a sistem is fault proof is on the one that asserts that. Nothing is fault proof. The complexity of getting away with cheating to the kind of level you are referring is beyond what would be even remotely viable. I, a regular club player and way more proficient players conclude that selective cheating cannot be detected, that it never was. You have to prove that it is detectable, and cannot do that keeping the process in secret. As above And I have the right express my concern, as former World champion Kramnik an Caruana and many others do. For what reason big names don't play at all at slower times, and if so only with other titled player some of which they would know? We are playing against players that assist their games. How often it happens its hard to tell. That it is marginal, all hints go against that. That is not important, understand what cheaters are up against before assuming they will get away with it. If you really are interested, you can start here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8tDqjkN7F3s If there is anything "mathsy" you want to reference, 3blue1brown on youtube has somewhat "intuitive" statistics explanations.
#37

@Brian-E said in #26:

Just for the record, HCB1983 was actually responding to me in that post to which you are responding, not Cedur. I very much doubt that Cedur wants to be confused with me and my peculiar behaviour here...
In chess these behaviours would be referred to as a "novelty!!"

@Brian-E said in #26: > Just for the record, HCB1983 was actually responding to me in that post to which you are responding, not Cedur. I very much doubt that Cedur wants to be confused with me and my peculiar behaviour here... In chess these behaviours would be referred to as a "novelty!!"
#38

this is why only OTB really counts in terms of prestige.

this is why only OTB really counts in terms of prestige.
#39

A lot of noise in this thread, but any thought about the specific topic of these kind of bots, in particular what I wrote in #33? Why headphones allowed? With headphones one can setup the bot not to showing moves on the screen but whispering them into the player's ear instead, nullifying any other effort, cameras, microphones, etc, that they still keep in place nontheless. How so?

A lot of noise in this thread, but any thought about the specific topic of these kind of bots, in particular what I wrote in #33? Why headphones allowed? With headphones one can setup the bot not to showing moves on the screen but whispering them into the player's ear instead, nullifying any other effort, cameras, microphones, etc, that they still keep in place nontheless. How so?
#40

@MarkIorio said in #33:

Below is the list of events on chesscom and the "headphones yes/no" rule for each of them. Why the differentiation? These robots can read the moves out loud, with headphones no one can control whether the audio with the moves is mixed only to the headphone output:

Better to ask this on chess.com
My thoughts: Not everyone in the world has the luxury of his own room. If you have to share it with other guys doing homework or sleeping, it might be necessary to use headphones to hear the move sounds, or listening to music while playing chess.

@MarkIorio said in #33: > Below is the list of events on chesscom and the "headphones yes/no" rule for each of them. Why the differentiation? These robots can read the moves out loud, with headphones no one can control whether the audio with the moves is mixed only to the headphone output: Better to ask this on chess.com My thoughts: Not everyone in the world has the luxury of his own room. If you have to share it with other guys doing homework or sleeping, it might be necessary to use headphones to hear the move sounds, or listening to music while playing chess.

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