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@Brian-E said in #10:
> What makes you think detection is currently based only on game analytics?
I never heard anything about remotely detecting software running on the participants' machines. Apart from suggesting multiple cameras in any player's room, which is of course not applicable in case of large events.
Well, that's right, we don't get to hear about everything when there's a requirement to keep some things secret. Or, if something is revealed to us in confidence, we are told to "keep it under our hat", so we do.
In your opening post @MarkIorio you said you were "flabbergasted" to discover the existence of bots which can be attached to the browser and enable cheating. Well, they're nothing new, they have been around for years, and because they are not undetectable in the way their programmers might claim they have not heralded the end of times for online chess.
@Brian-E said in #14:
> In your opening post @MarkIorio you said you were "flabbergasted" to discover the existence of bots which can be attached to the browser and enable cheating. Well, they're nothing new, they have been around for years, and because they are not undetectable in the way their programmers might claim they have not heralded the end of times for online chess.
Let's hope this doesn't happen just because online chess has surged to major importance only recently. Before the pandemic I doubt there was any serious interest in using chess robots for profit.
Anyway, security by obscurity never works in the long term. I just came into knowing about these programmes and I saw them in action through a perfectly legit youtube channel. If I were a podium level player in tournaments, knowing that these types of programmes exist, I would demand some more concrete reassurance by the hosting platform that the participants are properly checked against their use.
I'm not even so sure anymore that this is a major problem for online platforms, as they say. After all, people will continue to play online chess even if some legitimate players get robbed of their prizes.
If you're talking about online events with cash prizes now, @MarkIorio , I believe these generally require webcams to be in operation sending live pictures of the player to the hosting site. Certainly chessdotcom's Titled Tuesday does.
I just saw the video here: https://www.chess.com/fair-play#checks
Seems pretty reassuring to someone who's not a hacker. They have the right to check a player's task manager via a zoom call. But what about remote continuous check? In a way that allows them to reveal hidden processes? Is this theoretically possible?
Surprising facts:
1) brown (the color of bullshit) is not part of the rainbow.
2) I'm a mathematician so I know about logic.
@MarkIorio said in #17:
> I just saw the video here: www.chess.com/fair-play#checks
> Seems pretty reassuring to someone who's not a hacker. They have the right to check a player's task manager
Yet, it's all useless since players are allowed to wear headphones during the games.
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