Fat Fritz is not the Only Ripoff and now ChessBase is Getting Sued • page 4/17 • General Chess Discussion • lichess.org

TheBEstPlayer2010

OH MT GOD
CHESSBASE IS GETTING SUED?

OH MT GOD CHESSBASE IS GETTING SUED?

@OzzieTezz
True! That's a good point, and I may be wrong, but because Stockfish is open source, wouldn't the licensing agreement not include any of that?

@OzzieTezz True! That's a good point, and I may be wrong, but because Stockfish is open source, wouldn't the licensing agreement not include any of that?

OzzieTezz

#36

I think @h2b2 said it best above, the problem isn't that they are reselling it, it's that they are reselling it without releasing the source code as the SF licensing agreement requires.

PeterCavs

#37

@OzzieTezz
Ahh ok. I can sympathize with that, but whenever I skim comments on Stockfish/Chessbase issues I always see people harping on that chessbase is evil because they sold stockfish's free product, which explains my original post.

@OzzieTezz Ahh ok. I can sympathize with that, but whenever I skim comments on Stockfish/Chessbase issues I always see people harping on that chessbase is evil because they sold stockfish's free product, which explains my original post.

vishytheplayer

#38

Chessbase has a long history of not adhering to open source licenses.
Circumventing license and using open source code to build a product and then not revealing it can only be tolerated to an extent.
At the core it is about ethical practices as a company which Chessbase has repeatedly not respected.
Good move by Stockfish.
The open source community shouldn't have to endure this every single time.
Especially innocent chess players, who are the gullible targets for Chessbase.

Chessbase has a long history of not adhering to open source licenses. Circumventing license and using open source code to build a product and then not revealing it can only be tolerated to an extent. At the core it is about ethical practices as a company which Chessbase has repeatedly not respected. Good move by Stockfish. The open source community shouldn't have to endure this every single time. Especially innocent chess players, who are the gullible targets for Chessbase.

BornlessOne

#39

@VulcanForge That's easy to explain: somebody found a 'hidden' directory on Houdart's website and got in by simply guessing the password. In that directory were versions of the Houdini code.

hendrixmaine

#40

@h2b2

There are angles being discussed that are not just legal ones. Obviously we understand that chessbase isn't being sued because of the price of the product, we're just saying it's still stupid (legal or not).

@h2b2 There are angles being discussed that are not just legal ones. Obviously we understand that chessbase isn't being sued because of the price of the product, we're just saying it's still stupid (legal or not).

blitzstar2006

#41

Stockfish is doing a great job distributing strong engines for free. Copying its source codes and scams like this is not ethical against such a great organization. And most grateful to Lichess for giving updates on latest news.

DrEykplaner

#42

ChessBase is an overrated GUI anyway...slow and buggy. I like SCID vs PC the ability to write comments on games is a lot more clean and readable and versatile than ChessBase's. On the other hand, I have to say I love ChessBase's "Similar Positions" features.

The point is, I feel ChessBase as a whole is overrated in both their integrity and products.

ChessBase is an overrated GUI anyway...slow and buggy. I like SCID vs PC the ability to write comments on games is a lot more clean and readable and versatile than ChessBase's. On the other hand, I have to say I love ChessBase's "Similar Positions" features. The point is, I feel ChessBase as a whole is overrated in both their integrity and products.

h2b2

#43

@hendrixmaine my take is whether it's stupid is up to the buyer. A lot of buyers found value in it, that's why they bought it. We don't have to agree. I'm not saying you're wrong.