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The REAL value of chess pieces

#23

Absolute value might be post game possible
Real value
Executive value
Transitive value

An algorythm can project and graph their value proportioned to each other.

Absolute value might be post game possible Real value Executive value Transitive value An algorythm can project and graph their value proportioned to each other.
#25

Very interesting idea! Thanks for the blog, I can't find any reason not to download Lichess Tools :)

Very interesting idea! Thanks for the blog, I can't find any reason not to download Lichess Tools :)
#26

@mullerrj said in #13:

As always great blog! Thanks for sharing. Instead of 'value' of pieces maybe 'potential value' based on current position is better. For example, at the start, a rook trapped in the corner should have a 'value' of zero...because it's ineffective. It's 'potential value' is 3.9 because castling is imminent (usually). At the start, I can see why the kingside rook is worth more than the queenside rook for white. It's because the liklihood of castling kingside is higher than castling queenside. Therefore, the rook will become active sooner. Same for black. I can't however, see why the King's pawn is only worth 0.4 when the Queen's pawn is worth 0.7 at the start. After all, isn't the King's pawn the most popular first move in chess? And, why would the f-file pawn be worth the most of all pawns? I don't get that. Maybe it's worth more because it's a key protector of the King once castled...same with the g-file pawn.

It's because in many positions, though a pawn may itself have value, there is also value in it not being there. If the pawn was not there, though you're down a pawn, you also have easier and quicker development. I used to play handicapped games against students and being down pawns in the opening, especially against average strength club players or children isn't nearly as big of a disadvantage as it may first appear. That's one reason the Rook pawns often are worth less, since by not being there they activate the Rook.

@mullerrj said in #13: > As always great blog! Thanks for sharing. Instead of 'value' of pieces maybe 'potential value' based on current position is better. For example, at the start, a rook trapped in the corner should have a 'value' of zero...because it's ineffective. It's 'potential value' is 3.9 because castling is imminent (usually). At the start, I can see why the kingside rook is worth more than the queenside rook for white. It's because the liklihood of castling kingside is higher than castling queenside. Therefore, the rook will become active sooner. Same for black. I can't however, see why the King's pawn is only worth 0.4 when the Queen's pawn is worth 0.7 at the start. After all, isn't the King's pawn the most popular first move in chess? And, why would the f-file pawn be worth the most of all pawns? I don't get that. Maybe it's worth more because it's a key protector of the King once castled...same with the g-file pawn. It's because in many positions, though a pawn may itself have value, there is also value in it not being there. If the pawn was not there, though you're down a pawn, you also have easier and quicker development. I used to play handicapped games against students and being down pawns in the opening, especially against average strength club players or children isn't nearly as big of a disadvantage as it may first appear. That's one reason the Rook pawns often are worth less, since by not being there they activate the Rook.
#27

@TotalNoob69 Sorry, I still don't know where to type piecevalue, thank you.

@TotalNoob69 Sorry, I still don't know where to type piecevalue, thank you.
#30

@IntentionalBlunder said in #26:

It's because in many positions, though a pawn may itself have value, there is also value in it not being there. If the pawn was not there, though you're down a pawn, you also have easier and quicker development. I used to play handicapped games against students and being down pawns in the opening, especially against average strength club players or children isn't nearly as big of a disadvantage as it may first appear. That's one reason the Rook pawns often are worth less, since by not being there they activate the Rook.

@IntentionalBlunder said in #26: > It's because in many positions, though a pawn may itself have value, there is also value in it not being there. If the pawn was not there, though you're down a pawn, you also have easier and quicker development. I used to play handicapped games against students and being down pawns in the opening, especially against average strength club players or children isn't nearly as big of a disadvantage as it may first appear. That's one reason the Rook pawns often are worth less, since by not being there they activate the Rook.