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The REAL value of chess pieces

@chase4 said in #8:

I may be stupid, but I can't make it work. When I type /piecevalue it just shows up in the research bar.

See if you have the correct version: 2.4.56. You can type /help and get a screen with available commands. It may also be a bug :D Contact me directly if you feel it should be working but it does not.

@chase4 said in #8: > I may be stupid, but I can't make it work. When I type /piecevalue it just shows up in the research bar. See if you have the correct version: 2.4.56. You can type /help and get a screen with available commands. It may also be a bug :D Contact me directly if you feel it should be working but it does not.

As always great blog! Thanks for sharing. Instead of 'value' of pieces maybe 'potential value' based on current position is better. For example, at the start, a rook trapped in the corner should have a 'value' of zero...because it's ineffective. It's 'potential value' is 3.9 because castling is imminent (usually). At the start, I can see why the kingside rook is worth more than the queenside rook for white. It's because the liklihood of castling kingside is higher than castling queenside. Therefore, the rook will become active sooner. Same for black. I can't however, see why the King's pawn is only worth 0.4 when the Queen's pawn is worth 0.7 at the start. After all, isn't the King's pawn the most popular first move in chess? And, why would the f-file pawn be worth the most of all pawns? I don't get that. Maybe it's worth more because it's a key protector of the King once castled...same with the g-file pawn.

As always great blog! Thanks for sharing. Instead of 'value' of pieces maybe 'potential value' based on current position is better. For example, at the start, a rook trapped in the corner should have a 'value' of zero...because it's ineffective. It's 'potential value' is 3.9 because castling is imminent (usually). At the start, I can see why the kingside rook is worth more than the queenside rook for white. It's because the liklihood of castling kingside is higher than castling queenside. Therefore, the rook will become active sooner. Same for black. I can't however, see why the King's pawn is only worth 0.4 when the Queen's pawn is worth 0.7 at the start. After all, isn't the King's pawn the most popular first move in chess? And, why would the f-file pawn be worth the most of all pawns? I don't get that. Maybe it's worth more because it's a key protector of the King once castled...same with the g-file pawn.

Here's an interesting look. Look at the black pawn on h7. Why is this worth 7.1? Oh, I'm sorry it's -7.1. Hard to see the minus sign. I should have known by the relative size of the pawn. You'd think the black g-file pawn value would be higher since it will prevent White's mate on the next move with g6. White is playing the Scholar's Mate. https://i.imgur.com/bXLISsx.png

Here's an interesting look. Look at the black pawn on h7. Why is this worth 7.1? Oh, I'm sorry it's -7.1. Hard to see the minus sign. I should have known by the relative size of the pawn. You'd think the black g-file pawn value would be higher since it will prevent White's mate on the next move with g6. White is playing the Scholar's Mate. https://i.imgur.com/bXLISsx.png

@mullerrj

The h7 pawn has a very high negative value because if it did not exist, Black could play ...Rxh5. Without the h7 pawn, the game would be: 1.e4 e5 2.Bc4 Nc6 3.Qh5 Rxh5.

The value of the pawn on g7 is not very high because the scholar's mate can be parried not only by ...g6, but also by ...Qf6 or ...Qe7.

@mullerrj The h7 pawn has a very high negative value because if it did not exist, Black could play ...Rxh5. Without the h7 pawn, the game would be: 1.e4 e5 2.Bc4 Nc6 3.Qh5 Rxh5. The value of the pawn on g7 is not very high because the scholar's mate can be parried not only by ...g6, but also by ...Qf6 or ...Qe7.
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Really needs a tool to convert to verbal insight rather having to deduce it. Thanks, an essential
step on the way- good work!

Really needs a tool to convert to verbal insight rather having to deduce it. Thanks, an essential step on the way- good work!

@ccets said in #17:

Really needs a tool to convert to verbal insight rather having to deduce it.

You have this tool inside your head. Just looking at raw numbers or text written by a tool will teach you less than figuring it out yourself.

Great idea and blog post @TotalNoob69

@ccets said in #17: > Really needs a tool to convert to verbal insight rather having to deduce it. You have this tool inside your head. Just looking at raw numbers or text written by a tool will teach you less than figuring it out yourself. Great idea and blog post @TotalNoob69

I think you need to focus on the lines of force rather than the pieces

I think you need to focus on the lines of force rather than the pieces

@F0rr357 said in #19:

I think you need to focus on the lines of force rather than the pieces

Can you expand on what that means? First time I hear of it. Maybe that's partially covered by the K-MAPS feature...
https://lichess.org/@/TotalNoob69/blog/how-to-visualize-k-maps-analysis/eVtTXMDs

@F0rr357 said in #19: > I think you need to focus on the lines of force rather than the pieces Can you expand on what that means? First time I hear of it. Maybe that's partially covered by the K-MAPS feature... https://lichess.org/@/TotalNoob69/blog/how-to-visualize-k-maps-analysis/eVtTXMDs