Interesting position for catching out cheaters :D

@OctoPinky said in #17:

You meant R7c3, right?

oops, yes, it was a typo, I meant R7c3, that's the sus move. Both R7c2 and Rxf7 are natural human moves, but R7c2 is most definitely the practical choice to play in a blitz game. Rxf7, I guess a strong player might be able to calculate even in blitz (I'd consider it a candidate move if playing rapid/classical time controls).

R7c3, however, no human is gonna play that imo if they already noped out of playing Rxf7. Allows the continuation ...Bd4 Qd2 Bxc3 Rxc3 and white will be playing down a rook for bishop, also lose the strong rook battery on the c-file, with no immediate compensation (the engine likes it though).

Again, it’s not Rxf7 alone (rather „obvious“), it’s the complicated mess following. If you manage this well you must be sleepwalking^^ The combi included several complicated motifs.

@Sarg0n said in #22:

Again, it’s not Rxf7 alone (rather „obvious“), it’s the complicated mess following. If you manage this well you must be sleepwalking^^ The combi included several complicated motifs.

I mean, yes, but the whole point of playing Rxf7 is to trap the king in a series of skewering attacks. That's not overtly difficult to follow.

@Sarg0n

On the other hand, I bet Rxf7 will be the first choice to play if it was a bullet game, lol (refer https://youtu.be/RglfXpz5WWI?t=93 from 1:33 to 1:50)

Btw, my game:

@Sarg0n said in #8:

One has to take into consideration that after b4 the Knight doesn’t have to move - at least for one move.
Yes, but if the Knight doesn't move, it will be recaptured by the pawn! So part of the initial Rook sacrifice, one can say there is some compensation for White.
More than likely Black will retreat the Knight back to b7 as that is the safest square left for it to return.

This is the possible scenario I am thinking! https://lichess.org/editor/1r6/1n2qk1p/pb1pr1pB/3Bp3/1P6/1QR3P1/P3PP1P/6K1_w_-_-_0_1?color=white
This will be the resulting move situations after which, I would be planning to move my Rook to f3 regaining my lost Rook back.
From this position there is a major checkmating threat where it appears that Black will lose their Queen in the process in the next few moves.

I don't see how this situation is going to pan out well for Black. But in an ideal world of-course there's no guarantee that this will happen. If Black some how prevented me from this plan then I'll probably not be able to execute it.

I wished Lichess gave us options to set-up custom board positions like to to play with others for the purpose of training! Would be interesting to see what happens. And after that we could analyze with stock engine to see if the human really played all the perfect moves. Obviously the initial Rxf7 will be the human move. But the scenario I put out will be different from other players.

@GoLdEnFLAME said in #26:

I wished Lichess gave us options to set-up custom board positions like to to play with others for the purpose of training!

Actually, you can. This feature is already present on Lichess through the "Play with a friend" option. You choose the variant as "From Position", enter the position FEN and create a challenge: it redirects you to a window with a custom URL you can share with a friend, or even challenge another Lichess user by providing their username and they'll get a challenge notification for the game. (screenshot here: https://prnt.sc/nCNHZo95BDOG)

And before you ask, yes, the game can be a rated one as well.

@Achyut_2013 said in #28:

it CANNOT be rated.

You sure about that, mate? https://prnt.sc/eWMxxXGiatk9

@Sarg0n said in #1:

I'm actually a little bit surprised to see this post from you, Sargon?
I always assumed that players at my level, and those slightly better, would see Rxf7 and play it immediately?

Personally, my answer would be:

"In the name of the spirit of chess, Rxf7 seems like the kind of move that deserves to get some air time, regardless of if it's 100% fool proof and calculated all the way through to the check mate. It almost feels disrespectful, to chess, not to play it!"

I'm curious if Botvinnik saw the checkmate after he sacced his first rook on the 7th?