Any politician that will prohibit health workers - who were given public funded professional education - to work in USA will have my vote. Thousand of nurses are crossing the border to go working for Michigan's Health System. Let's see how MI will deal with this.
@Black-Swan-22 said in #4:
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> I totally agree with you. It is truly shocking that after 250 years of democracy Americans chose autocracy.
yeah.
they chose it AGAIN.
for the SECOND TIME.
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> I totally agree with you. It is truly shocking that after 250 years of democracy Americans chose autocracy.
yeah.
they chose it AGAIN.
for the SECOND TIME.
@CSKA_Moscou said in #16:
> [...]
> women were not respected and were confined to the roles of model wives and housewives, moreover, love marriages were rare since the majority of families with any wealth organized arranged marriages, and the fate of Working-class women were even worse.
>[...]
Not so long ago in USA and Canada women were legally the equivalent of children. They could not open a bank account, signed a contract, vote...
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women%27s_suffrage_in_the_United_States
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women%27s_suffrage_in_Canada
> [...]
> women were not respected and were confined to the roles of model wives and housewives, moreover, love marriages were rare since the majority of families with any wealth organized arranged marriages, and the fate of Working-class women were even worse.
>[...]
Not so long ago in USA and Canada women were legally the equivalent of children. They could not open a bank account, signed a contract, vote...
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women%27s_suffrage_in_the_United_States
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women%27s_suffrage_in_Canada
To respond to those who think Trump will lead an autocratic government...
Why would you say that?
Why would you say that?
@bfchessguy said in #23:
> Not so long ago in USA and Canada women were legally the equivalent of children. They could not open a bank account, signed a contract, vote...
>
> en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women%27s_suffrage_in_the_United_States
>
> en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women%27s_suffrage_in_Canada
Incredible coordination in the United States - between Wyoming in 1869 to 1920 for the amendment, I nevertheless believed that administrative disorganization was a French specialty (btw it was in 1944 for women's right to vote in France, that's a delay!)
> Not so long ago in USA and Canada women were legally the equivalent of children. They could not open a bank account, signed a contract, vote...
>
> en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women%27s_suffrage_in_the_United_States
>
> en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women%27s_suffrage_in_Canada
Incredible coordination in the United States - between Wyoming in 1869 to 1920 for the amendment, I nevertheless believed that administrative disorganization was a French specialty (btw it was in 1944 for women's right to vote in France, that's a delay!)
@KDMFan said in #7:
> #6:
>
>
> Who has given him what?
>
> I promise you his power is limited.
>
> Name a scenario where he abused power.
first off the top of my head,
illegally withholding aid to ukraine that was appropriated by congress on condition that they dig up dirt on his political opponents son
> #6:
>
>
> Who has given him what?
>
> I promise you his power is limited.
>
> Name a scenario where he abused power.
first off the top of my head,
illegally withholding aid to ukraine that was appropriated by congress on condition that they dig up dirt on his political opponents son
@CSKA_Moscou said in #16:
> democracy for 250 years? Really ?
>
> 250 years ago, slavery was legal, and in 1774, owning slaves was a symbol of financial wealth and prosperity.
>
> mistreating or killing an individual based on their ethnicity was permitted.
>
> oppression and violence against indigenous populations was common and reached its peak during the second half of the 19th century
>
> women were not respected and were confined to the roles of model wives and housewives, moreover, love marriages were rare since the majority of families with any wealth organized arranged marriages, and the fate of Working-class women were even worse.
>
> the same goes for working class children who had to work. and the working conditions were deplorable, the bosses having no respect for the health of their employees, the accidents were numerous and fatal. When anarchism began to take hold in working-class circles during the second half of the 19th century, the police repressed demonstrations with violence, sometimes causing numerous deaths.
>
> duels were common and often replaced justice when it came to family matters, duels often murderous and arising from futile motives.
>
> in 1774 democracy was just a beautiful idea inflated by sonorous allegories but did not yet exist, in 1774 it was still the thirteen colonies under English control, these thirteen colonies had no representative in England and were subject to disastrous economic policies where the protests were violently repressed, that caused the American War of Independence which ended in 1783 with the Treaty of Versailles and the Treaty of Paris where the British Empire recognized and granted the independence of the thirteen colonies as a federal republic
and despite all that, it was the most democratic nation of the time and since ancient greece more or less.
And also contained many codified elements which intended to expunge the country of those elements over time, however it was recognized if they had done so immediately they would not have had the support of the vested interests they needed to win independence (i.e. slave owners)
> democracy for 250 years? Really ?
>
> 250 years ago, slavery was legal, and in 1774, owning slaves was a symbol of financial wealth and prosperity.
>
> mistreating or killing an individual based on their ethnicity was permitted.
>
> oppression and violence against indigenous populations was common and reached its peak during the second half of the 19th century
>
> women were not respected and were confined to the roles of model wives and housewives, moreover, love marriages were rare since the majority of families with any wealth organized arranged marriages, and the fate of Working-class women were even worse.
>
> the same goes for working class children who had to work. and the working conditions were deplorable, the bosses having no respect for the health of their employees, the accidents were numerous and fatal. When anarchism began to take hold in working-class circles during the second half of the 19th century, the police repressed demonstrations with violence, sometimes causing numerous deaths.
>
> duels were common and often replaced justice when it came to family matters, duels often murderous and arising from futile motives.
>
> in 1774 democracy was just a beautiful idea inflated by sonorous allegories but did not yet exist, in 1774 it was still the thirteen colonies under English control, these thirteen colonies had no representative in England and were subject to disastrous economic policies where the protests were violently repressed, that caused the American War of Independence which ended in 1783 with the Treaty of Versailles and the Treaty of Paris where the British Empire recognized and granted the independence of the thirteen colonies as a federal republic
and despite all that, it was the most democratic nation of the time and since ancient greece more or less.
And also contained many codified elements which intended to expunge the country of those elements over time, however it was recognized if they had done so immediately they would not have had the support of the vested interests they needed to win independence (i.e. slave owners)
@salmon_rushdie said in #26:
> first off the top of my head,
> illegally withholding aid to ukraine that was appropriated by congress on condition that they dig up dirt on his political opponents son
But he wasn't president when Russia invaded... and "opponent's son" had some **real** issues of his own. We've given money to Ukraine but it appears no progress has been made over there... I support the Ukrainians, but their government has used lots of money given to them by the current US Admin.
If Trump wanted aid to be withheld, maybe he foresaw this?
I'll even bet he'll stop the ongoing wars.
> first off the top of my head,
> illegally withholding aid to ukraine that was appropriated by congress on condition that they dig up dirt on his political opponents son
But he wasn't president when Russia invaded... and "opponent's son" had some **real** issues of his own. We've given money to Ukraine but it appears no progress has been made over there... I support the Ukrainians, but their government has used lots of money given to them by the current US Admin.
If Trump wanted aid to be withheld, maybe he foresaw this?
I'll even bet he'll stop the ongoing wars.
@KDMFan said in #28:
> But he wasn't president when Russia invaded... and "opponent's son" had some **real** issues of his own. We've given money to Ukraine but it appears no progress has been made over there... I support the Ukrainians, but their government has used lots of money given to them by the current US Admin.
>
> If Trump wanted aid to be withheld, maybe he foresaw this?
>
> I'll even bet he'll stop the ongoing wars.
We're not talking about the speculative merit of these legal violations...
it's 100% unquestionably in violation of federal law on two grounds:
> The president cannot with-hold aid that congress has appropriated.
> Further than this - it is absolutely illegal to solicit a foreign nation on behalf of influencing an election (aka investigating a political rival) - he did this both with Ukraine and China.
> But he wasn't president when Russia invaded... and "opponent's son" had some **real** issues of his own. We've given money to Ukraine but it appears no progress has been made over there... I support the Ukrainians, but their government has used lots of money given to them by the current US Admin.
>
> If Trump wanted aid to be withheld, maybe he foresaw this?
>
> I'll even bet he'll stop the ongoing wars.
We're not talking about the speculative merit of these legal violations...
it's 100% unquestionably in violation of federal law on two grounds:
> The president cannot with-hold aid that congress has appropriated.
> Further than this - it is absolutely illegal to solicit a foreign nation on behalf of influencing an election (aka investigating a political rival) - he did this both with Ukraine and China.
@salmon_rushdie said in #29:
> We're not talking about the speculative merit of these legal violations...
>
> it's 100% unquestionably in violation of federal law on two grounds:
I never heard soliciting with Ukraine and China.
> We're not talking about the speculative merit of these legal violations...
>
> it's 100% unquestionably in violation of federal law on two grounds:
I never heard soliciting with Ukraine and China.
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