How many assassination attempts needed before Democrats stop fearmongering?

Anger you said?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VuBKGZxgf8Q&t=193s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7AmrbYY1O88&t=256s

I've heard it said: when you can explain something in your own words to a child, you understand it.

Why do so many use the words of others lately?

@Noflaps said in #12:

I've heard it said: when you can explain something in your own words to a child, you understand it. Why do so many use the words of others lately?

Someone is obviously not toning down. So many has given up using their own words because too many even if yo
they hear. view or read it are asking us to spend hours answering to too many posts following asking us to provide content on demand aka my own words while refusing to answer to any of our our questions.

So I have given up having them admitting their pals JD and 45th are lying and rhetoric triggering violence. They do not effing care if Haitian are threatened by what is said.

Enough time wasted answering to those who not deserve it.

#12 was a mild and common observation, @bfchessguy . It was neither "lying" nor "triggering" of "violence."

And Trump's comments, which were apparently based on some reports, weren't directed at "Haitians" per se. They weren't at all racist.

He was trying to discuss possible, or at least reported, challenges of trying to keep fed and housed a large number of newcomers moving over a relatively short period of time into a small town. It's not just "Haitians" who have to find habitation and sustenance. People from ANYWHERE have to find shelter and food. Don't they?

How do you suppose small towns handle a sudden, unexpected but vast growth in their population?

I haven't seen too many in the media discuss the challenges of relatively sudden population growth in small towns. How do you think schools handle it? Do you think schools have a lot of extra, multilingual teachers that are under-utilized and ready to step up?

And how do we make sure nobody goes hungry and has a place to live? How is any sudden large stress on the local "safety net" and other institutions to be handled and paid for by a small town? Any helpful thoughts?

Thanks for using your own words. It's helpful and facilitates real thought and discussion, I believe.

It all started with the cat Miss Sassy who was missing. After WSJ asked for more substantial information they were sent a Police Report and after contacting the person they found out that Miss Sassy return to home so I guess no one ate the cat.

This is old news and some are still taking the bait. sigh

https://www.businessinsider.com/jd-vance-springfield-cat-alive-police-report-2024-9

According to The Wall Street Journal, a spokesperson for the Republican vice presidential nominee pointed to a police report that a local resident filed alleging their Haitian neighbors might have stolen her cat. But when a reporter checked out the situation, they found an apologetic woman with a cat, Miss Sassy, that was safe and sound.

In what effing bubble someone is living to deny this??

https://apnews.com/article/trump-vance-haitian-immigrants-springfield-ohio-threats-d74b7ff56f9a45d9389d8ebee4af1652

I'm not denying anything, @bfchessguy.

I asked some serious and rather important questions. As a society, they can't just be "laughed off" and ignored. So far, they remain unanswered. Any helpful, informative responses?

This isn't just politics. The world has to go on working, for real. We need thoughtful responses to real challenges. And I look forward to reading them.

School, public institutions and the safety net are real things, that have to not be pushed beyond their (at least temporary) capacity. We can't just ignore them and hope it all, somehow, works out. Planning for both growth and funding are important, real things.

@Noflaps said in #16:

I'm not denying anything, @bfchessguy.

I asked some serious and rather important questions. So far, they remain unanswered.
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You're not going to lecture me on how to help those needing help. Some users here know what have done where I live. Please ask GOP to address this subject seriously. And by the way on the country where I live we're facing the same challenges than Springfield without resorting to all this nonsense that Indecision 2024 is bringing.

End of discussion for my part you lost cred with answer like this

And Trump's comments, which were apparently based on some reports, weren't directed at "Haitians" per se. They weren't at all racist.

Deep in your heart you know it is not true.

"End of discussion." So noted, @bfchessguy .

I simply asked some real-world, important questions, and hoped for a helpful response. Whether or not some pet is missing isn't the point, and not at all the main things requiring consideration. I guess I'll await more answers from somebody else.

I don't think asking serious questions "loses cred."

But I guess each person can form his or her own opinion, and, in, any event, I think we both have adequate "cred" as forum contributors.

But I believe that part of the problem with politics lately is that not enough tough, pertinent questions are asked, and even fewer get meaningful answers.

It's fine to learn that a candidate "had a middle-class upbringing," I suppose. But that doesn't really help us to answer real, difficult questions like those I asked above, does it?

It's not some debating trick to ask difficult questions that ACTUALLY need to be answered by somebody, since the world ACTUALLY has to keep working.

So encouraging helpful responses and the origination of helpful ideas is well intended, not some sort of gamesmanship. Indeed, it gives others a chance to show they have really good ideas.

Thanks for replying and have a nice evening.

@Noflaps said in #12:

I've heard it said: when you can explain something in your own words to a child, you understand it.

The words and meaning I understand, the context however I don't.
Can you rephrase it in your own words? Perhaps this time without comparing people to children?

Why do so many use the words of others lately?
The first part surely was ment as irony?
But the latter part? Lately!? Please clarify what you mean when you say lately? How long a time period are we talking about?

Said in #10

I now find some expressing outrage .... about what? About Trump passing along a "disappearing pet story?"
He is a presidential candidate for the American government, he isn't just doing a storytelling. He is feeding the crowd.
Is it possible, Katzenschinken , that at least ONE pet MIGHT have disappeared?
Irrelevant. Finding missing pets ain't the responsibility of a politician, he is just wagging the dog, as you are surely well aware of.

And even if no pets have disappeared, do you think the local townspeople think everything is great?
Do you think that is the job for a potential president? Is to find lost pets?
You know as well as I do, all this is BS. Illegal immigrants eating pets is nonsense, with no proff.
And remember the burden of proff, belongs to the accusator, not the defenders. And I heve seen no legal evidence to back this up.
(Can't even believe it is necessary to rebuttal)

His rhetorics creates fear and hatred.
And even if this were true, should not Trump's response be to help feed those poor souls, who apparently have little to no access to food!
Wouldn't that be a leaders quality? To care for the poor, the hungry and downtrodden?
Remarkable if a person in the USA would rise up to become such a leader. Remarkable, but alas unlikely.

Said in #14

And Trump's comments, which were apparently based on some reports, weren't directed at "Haitians" per se. They weren't at all racist.
Perhaps you can get a child to interpret his meanings for me then? Because, I don't understand him at all.

But okay, bare in mind, English isn't my first language.
So maybe it is just me who doesn't understand him?
However I do know about chivalry, and I don't grab woman inappropriately, and simultaneously claim it's the immigrants who are the violators of woman.

Trump's sence of honour is far below my standards.
His leadership skills are abysmal.
He can't unite people.
He ain't stupid, as some people would claim.
But he ain't particular clever either.
He made a fortune with his inheritance, and he is a charlatan who can work a crowd.
But he ain't the type of person, who knows how to stop a fight. Is this someone you want in office?

@NaturalBornTraveller , I wasn't comparing others to children. The old saying I more-or-less quoted means only what it suggests:

If we really understand something, we understand it well enough to be able to explain it, using our own words, EVEN TO A CHILD (let alone to an adult).

The saying isn't calling others "children." It isn't comparing members to "children." Not at all.

And as a civilization we can't just keep ignoring the REAL questions of the sort I asked in #14 by saying, in essence, over and over, "orange man bad."

Constantly attacking politicians PERSONALLY doesn't answer real-world, difficult questions. It is just politics as has become usual.

Trump's rhetoric calls attention to potential REAL PROBLEMS (NOT pet stealing -- but TAKING CARE OF RELATIVELY HUGE, UNPLANNED population growth in some cities and towns) that have to be dealt with by local and state governments. ASK some of the Democrat mayors of some American towns and cities if they are facing real, new challenges over the last three and a half years. Some have SPOKEN OUT about it. And they WEREN'T talking about "pets."

Lost pets are NOT THE POINT, either of my posts or of Trump's rhetoric. Talking repeatedly about "pets" doesn't really respond to the REAL questions I asked in #14. It just sidesteps those questions.

There are REAL CHALLENGES when a town or city has to deal with proportionally very large, unplanned population growth. And I mentioned some in #14. But it's hard to get anybody to discuss THOSE instead of whether or not pets are disappearing.

I wish all pets well -- but that's NOT the point.

I love immigration and immigrants, too. But there are REASONS for carefully planned and administrated immigration law: among others, I suppose, they are 1) protecting national security, and 2) giving state and local governments ADEQUATE time to prepare for and get funding to handle growth.

The substantive aspects of this shouldn't get lost in personal politics and dislike for one candidate or the other. But all too often, that seems to happen.