Doubling Down on Why Lichess Should Add a Report Denial Feature

I would rather have the mods going through reports
Then dealing with 10 different witch hunts and having to argue with people the whole day.

Also why is this needed its not like lichess is in a cheating pandemic or mods are incorrectly handling all the reports. Its still the same problem of users complaining x is a cheat when they not

I am not sure if it's already there but there should be feature for mods to see how many times a particular user is reported in order to take note of reports.

@i-bex said in #21:

If you would be satisfied with a notification "Your report was denied" then no notification does the same. If you want a reason for rejection, that opens a whole can of worms. There is no good reason to implement this.
Sorry for the ambiguity.
The goal of #1 of the original topic was to focus on getting a verification of a report.
The goal of #1 of this topic is to focus on providing a reason for a denial of a report.
Now, these two are sort of linked, since even getting a message for a denial without a reason would be able to make users more thoughtful of how they word their reports and be able to see into the thoughts of the moderators.
This topic still intends to keep the original topic as a goal.

If your main concern is actually getting a reason for rejection, you should probably reword your original post. The issue is that's going to add a lot of work for already busy mods (pretty much a full blown statement arguing the case) just to bring a lot of controversy and animosity by people that do not understand their mathematical models and the statements will inadvertently expose some cheating detection methods that will then be exploited.
Why is that so?
When a moderator reviews a report, they internally have to process why they will/won't take action towards that report.
Providing a reason for that report is simply displaying that thought process in a communicable form.
And, again, the main goal of my post is not about cheating, but even so, moderators can just say "our cheating tool did not detect cheating by [username]". Simple as that.

@for_cryingout_loud said in #22:

I would rather have the mods going through reports
Then dealing with 10 different witch hunts and having to argue with people the whole day.
Alright then. The forum idea is just a branch off the main suggestion anyways. It doesn't necessarily have to be implemented.

Also why is this needed its not like lichess is in a cheating pandemic or mods are incorrectly handling all the reports. Its still the same problem of users complaining x is a cheat when they not
The goal of this topic is to minimize the % of incorrectly handled reports.
Any avoidable distrustworthiness in a system creates unnecessary suspicion and hate.

@Le_Patzer83 said in #14:

It would be interesting to know how many times per day somebody gets reported to the moderators. I’m sure the data exists. I’m also sure that the data will not be shared with us.

It would also be interesting to know how many active moderators are operating on a given day. Perhaps there are part time ones too. Who knows. Well, lichess knows, but we humble users are unlikely to know, even those of us who pay for our wings.

[...] I’m just spitballing here. I guess we will never know.

You could know: https://lichess.org/blog/Y7C2yxAAAFBcUm6w/lichess-end-of-year-update-2022

@InkyDarkBird said in #25:

Alright then. The forum idea is just a branch off the main suggestion anyways. It doesn't necessarily have to be implemented.

The goal of this topic is to minimize the % of incorrectly handled reports.
Any avoidable distrustworthiness in a system creates unnecessary suspicion and hate.

And what is the percentage of miss handled reports please site source. Denying reports would only increase that because the people that report including me always think we right and dam anyone who says otherwise

@for_cryingout_loud said in #27:

And what is the percentage of miss handled reports please site source.
There is no clear source, but it is clearly large enough number to cause numerous topics complaining about the report system to form.

Denying reports would only increase that because the people that report including me always think we right and dam anyone who says otherwise
This is good, because, AS I SAID BEFORE, Lichess users would be able to more effectively communicate with the moderators and argue why they believe the report should be valid.
In addition, AS I SAID BEFORE, it is better to feel that your report has at least been heard rather than completely ignored.

Please stop repeating points that can be easily answered by my arguments.

@InkyDarkBird said in #28:

This is good, because, AS I SAID BEFORE, Lichess users would be able to more effectively communicate with the moderators and argue why they believe the report should be valid.
There is hardly anything more annoying for a specialist than having to explain his work, which requires a long period of training, to an absolute layman. There is no effective communication possible between a specialist and a layman who is absolutely convinced to be correct.
Your suggestion would probably drive away all moderators within a few days.

@InkyDarkBird said in #28:

There is no clear source, but it is clearly large enough number to cause numerous topics complaining about the report system to form.

This is good, because, AS I SAID BEFORE, Lichess users would be able to more effectively communicate with the moderators and argue why they believe the report should be valid.
In addition, AS I SAID BEFORE, it is better to feel that your report has at least been heard rather than completely ignored.

Please stop repeating points that can be easily answered by my arguments.

Wait you suggesting a solution to a problem without having any idea of the scope of it?
You cant skip half the problem solving steps and get a meaningful solution.

Lets start from the top
What is the problem: mishandled reports and lack of coms

Scope/how big is the problem: unknown, reports in forms proven to be mixed data as most dont know how to report or how it works. (Personly i think even should just use rbm report block move on)
So we need a better data source

@for_cryingout_loud said in #30:

Wait you suggesting a solution to a problem without having any idea of the scope of it?
You cant skip half the problem solving steps and get a meaningful solution.
Scope/how big is the problem: unknown, reports in forms proven to be mixed data as most dont know how to report or how it works. (Personly i think even should just use rbm report block move on)
So we need a better data source
First of all, we seem to interpret the data differently, as I believe the majority of users talking about the reports actually did fill out a report and did not know if their report was confirmed.

Secondly, just because there is a lack of data, my entire suggestion is somehow invalidated?
How am I even supposed to find that number? Count every single forum post that has ever existed complaining about that topic?
I have already provided multiple topics in #1 of users' frustration.
Just because a problem is vague does not mean we cannot solve it.

For example, while scientists argue that climate change is real, many have different solutions on how to solve it (such as nuclear energy or no nuclear energy).
Does that mean we should not solve climate change at all and wait until we have "better data"? Of course not.