Can we correct the warning message that automatically comes

№ 24,

“Social stigma”? How will he experience any if he never plays with you again? 🤨 (What socializing? What stigma?) And in the meantime, he’ll do the same thing to other people. (There are quite a few of those here. You, like he, are being selfish.) The whole point of moderating such behavior is to prevent it, rather than allowing it to occur again & again, and just hoping for the best. There are two good reasons to actively prevent it:

 1. To discourage the offending party from doing that in the future.
 2. To spare other players in the meantime.

You actually think, if we do nothing, eventually he will learn? . . . That is suicidal. If someone robs you, do you not report the crime to the police? . . . Why should it be any different if he robs your time than if he robs your money? (After all, for some of us time = money.) You are saying, if someone steals from you, you will simply hope he never does it again. (In this case, if you block him, you know he won’t do it to 𝘺𝘰𝘶 again, but you are 𝘩𝘰𝘱𝘪𝘯𝘨 he won’t do it to anyone else. But have you even warned them?)

I am telling you, without correction from above, that’s a slim hope. If he gets off on it — and gets away with it — he will simply do it again, to the next mark. For as long as he can, he’ll increase his rating AFK through his opponents’ resignations, while he does something else IRL. And if he is immature & selfish (or a sociopath), he may feel no remorse. 😐 Why would he care about the imaginary person on the other side of his monitor? “ ‘Laws of chess’? LMAO! It’s my time, b*tch! You don’t matter!”

No. Having dealt with such people before, I do not share your optimism at all. I cannot possibly agree with your take on this matter.

#31 I simply don’t see how “wasting” time both player have already decided to spend in front of a screen could be possibly compared to “stealing”. I am sorry, but the very foundation of your line of reasoning (someone steals from someone else) is simply not there for me. Hence, any “punishment” is largely undeserved.

№ 26,

You can observe and investigate time wasting online as well but the process would be different.

Different how? (Be specific, please.)

Currently, if you terminate a game on time you receive a warning. (Just a warning. No action is taken yet.) If your regular activity triggers enough of these warnings, then your specific case will be reviewed by moderators, assisted by software for the purpose, and informed by other users’ reports (if any). And if you actually did nothing wrong — and were apologetic to your opponent, rather than rubbing it in his face — you’ll be fine.

OTOH, if you exhibited this behavior many times, flagrantly (as in the case of the guy who waited 29 minutes on move two, and laughed about it in the chatbox), you’ll be temporarily banned from playing here. (If you can waste others’ time, then Lichess can waste yours. That is only just & fair.) And if, after the ban has ended you are unrepentant and resume your old habits, you’ll eventually be permanently banned from this server, until you appeal that ban (i.e., apologize to the site staff for abusing their platform).

Note the gray area between these extremes is why moderation is necessary. But Lichess has moderators; so again, if you’ve done nothing wrong you have nothing to fear. 🙂 The warning is auto generated; the ban is not. So I don’t see what your complaint even is. You simply dislike the wording of that warning, as is? Or would prefer not to be warned at all, and rather taken by surprise? 🤨 If something I’m doing isn’t ideal for any reason, then I for one would like to know this, so I can at least 𝘵𝘳𝘺 to do better next time.

In № 1, you said:

It kind of effects [sic] me psychologically too.

I think that’s your problem, rather than Lichess’s. I have no advice for you other than try to get over it. ❤️ But if you think the process in question should be different somehow, please offer some suggestions of how it might be improved. I am trying to sympathize with you, but I honestly don’t think “I don’t like how it makes me feel” is constructive criticism.

Pawnedge summarized the issue very well

One additional thing. Everyone who is complaining benefits from what they're complaining about. Almost all their games in LiChess are played against people who don't waste their time.

If there's a handful of people who want to waste time you can get together and play each other. Why don't you all start a club or team?

@pawnedge

My problem is: And I thought I made this clear. I would prefer to not see the message at all. I can care less about action taken against me. I don't do anything that would constitute action in the first place. I simply don't want to see the message pop up.

On your suggestion to the "investigate online bad sportmanship" being different from OTB to online. I would think that is easy to determine. On OTB, you are physically there. You can watch the players and how they are acting and ask them questions as to why things are going the way they are going if needed. In online play (Now follow me because this is the different part) you can't really watch the players. You have to go by the technical parts, like whether or not they are task switching. Or like in this game here I played this morning where the opponent was in an easily lost position and disconnected with one minute on the clock. 20 seconds is nothing compared to 1 minute. And I have never done this kind of stuff. I feel resigning is always respectful.

You guys in general are blowing this way out of proportion. Mostly I would prefer that there is more active role in the moderation. And auto messages in general are just irritating. I think I have been banned from one of these once and I think it was from aborting too many games or something. That, if I remember correctly, was a couple years ago anyway and I barely remember it. The moderation didn't bother me. It's the stupid messages.

№ 35,

You have to go by the technical parts, like whether or not they are task switching.

This is why Lichess has moderators. I already covered that. You still haven’t answered my question, which did not concern how things are different online, but rather how would you handle this issue differently from the way it is currently being handled here?

@pawnedge

Judging by the comment you had here, you misunderstood the statement and I will leave it at that.

I would probably not worry about the rest because it would appear that we are not communicating. Most probably related to your own personal bias. Like I said. I don't really care about the items that have been brought up. And the debate while it is entertaining really has little to do with the subject brought up. It's really as simple as either getting rid of the message, or putting in an option to turn the message off completely. A switch maybe? Saying to the effect, "Do not show stupid messages" would be cool and entertaining.

@MeWantCookieMobile If the problem is just the message, then here are two suggestions:

1. As soon as a game starts, go over to the chat box, and at the top, click "Notes." This switches the chat box to a notes box, so you won't be able to read any chat messages.

2. Enable "Kid Mode." I'm not sure if this would work, as I've never done it myself, but if you go to "Preferences" and then "Kid Mode," it says all site communications are disabled. I'm not sure if that works for the warning message, but it could.

#33 #36 I wouldn't play 30+0 if the thought of my opponent spending 29 minutes on their second move somehow disturbed me. I might play 15+15 or something (although the opponent could still be unsporting and unreasonable, and bans could still occur, does "time wasting" even occur in games with a substantial increment?).

@MeWantCookieMobile your original post is not really effective in pinpointing what exactly bothers you: whether the warning itself or the reason behind the warning.

Now I understand you could have just asked: “Would it be possible to suppress the warning?” and we would have spent much less time discussing about whether “wasting time” deserves any punishment. :)