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#41

@hihihy said in #38:

I went over a few of your games and found a few flaws that might be holding you back:

  1. You have a very good fundemental understanding of the opening, but you don't punish your opponent's mistakes early on. For example: when you play againts the slav defense, after the moves 1.d4 d5 2.c4 c6 3.Nc3 Nf6 4.Nf3 people sometimes make the mistake of going 4.Bf5? blundering 5.cxd5 cxd5 6.Qb3. Instead of that you develop yur bishop. Try to analyze your games afterwards to acknowledge common mistakes in the opening so you know what to do against them.

2.You don't have a clear opening repertoire. For example against the Nimzo-indian defense (1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 e6 3.Nc3 Bb4) you have played 4.Nf3, 4.Qb3, and 4.Bg5. Pick ONE. It is much better to know a lot about one variation than a little bit about three.
List the variations your opponents could play againts you in your openings and learn one variation against each. you only need to know a little bit of basic theory and common plans for both sides.

3.Not creating plans in the middlegame. When you don't have a clear win and you have already developed all of your pieces, you start playing aimlessly and you ruin your position and hang all of your pieces. Maybe try improving your pieces, try to stop your opponents plan, set a trap, just don't make random moves. It's better to have a bad plan than nothing, trust me.

Those are the biggest mistakes you are making that I could find. I can reccomend playing longer time control games if you truly want to improve. Hope this helps.
I wouldn't agree with third one I create many plans in the middle game I just can't find a right plan I know most possitional ideas just can't find how to use them in certain possitions

@hihihy said in #38: > I went over a few of your games and found a few flaws that might be holding you back: > > 1. You have a very good fundemental understanding of the opening, but you don't punish your opponent's mistakes early on. For example: when you play againts the slav defense, after the moves 1.d4 d5 2.c4 c6 3.Nc3 Nf6 4.Nf3 people sometimes make the mistake of going 4.Bf5? blundering 5.cxd5 cxd5 6.Qb3. Instead of that you develop yur bishop. Try to analyze your games afterwards to acknowledge common mistakes in the opening so you know what to do against them. > > 2.You don't have a clear opening repertoire. For example against the Nimzo-indian defense (1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 e6 3.Nc3 Bb4) you have played 4.Nf3, 4.Qb3, and 4.Bg5. Pick ONE. It is much better to know a lot about one variation than a little bit about three. > List the variations your opponents could play againts you in your openings and learn one variation against each. you only need to know a little bit of basic theory and common plans for both sides. > > 3.Not creating plans in the middlegame. When you don't have a clear win and you have already developed all of your pieces, you start playing aimlessly and you ruin your position and hang all of your pieces. Maybe try improving your pieces, try to stop your opponents plan, set a trap, just don't make random moves. It's better to have a bad plan than nothing, trust me. > > Those are the biggest mistakes you are making that I could find. I can reccomend playing longer time control games if you truly want to improve. Hope this helps. I wouldn't agree with third one I create many plans in the middle game I just can't find a right plan I know most possitional ideas just can't find how to use them in certain possitions
#42

@thefrickouttaherelol said in #40:

I don't know if this is necessarily true. I saw Magnus Carlsen playing mutdpro in Bullet in his recent games. They spent more time thinking about their openings than I thought they would. I figured they would have memorized all the openings and first 10 moves by now, but no... They paused for sometimes seconds at a time to make the right moves, then moved much faster in positions they were comfortable in.

Friend, in any kind of game\sport, rules that apply for professionals can't be applied for amateurs, and viceversa.

It's exactly like musicians do: When you start learning, you NEED to learn the basics first. You need to know the rules and absolutely not break them otherwise it will sound very bad\mistake.

But guess what, what turns you from a standard\good musician into a genius level, is breaking those rules but still making them sound great. This can be applied to chess too. I really don't think we should be comparing our games to those of the best grandmasters, because they have an overall view that we will never have.

After it's been created it's way too easy for "mortals" to decipher it. But the real genius is when you're the first one.

@thefrickouttaherelol said in #40: > I don't know if this is necessarily true. I saw Magnus Carlsen playing mutdpro in Bullet in his recent games. They spent more time thinking about their openings than I thought they would. I figured they would have memorized all the openings and first 10 moves by now, but no... They paused for sometimes seconds at a time to make the right moves, then moved much faster in positions they were comfortable in. Friend, in any kind of game\sport, rules that apply for professionals can't be applied for amateurs, and viceversa. It's exactly like musicians do: When you start learning, you NEED to learn the basics first. You need to know the rules and absolutely not break them otherwise it will sound very bad\mistake. But guess what, what turns you from a standard\good musician into a genius level, is breaking those rules but still making them sound great. This can be applied to chess too. I really don't think we should be comparing our games to those of the best grandmasters, because they have an overall view that we will never have. After it's been created it's way too easy for "mortals" to decipher it. But the real genius is when you're the first one.
#43

@una_tantum said in #42:

Friend, in any kind of game\sport, rules that apply for professionals can't be applied for amateurs, and viceversa.

It's exactly like musicians do: When you start learning, you NEED to learn the basics first. You need to know the rules and absolutely not break them otherwise it will sound very bad\mistake.
What level do you consider expert? I'm 2000 - 2100 in bullet and haven't had to memorize anything. I mean, I'm sure I've memorized things, but through intuition not rote memorization.

I'm sure I make plenty of mistakes, especially in the opening, though.

@una_tantum said in #42: > Friend, in any kind of game\sport, rules that apply for professionals can't be applied for amateurs, and viceversa. > > It's exactly like musicians do: When you start learning, you NEED to learn the basics first. You need to know the rules and absolutely not break them otherwise it will sound very bad\mistake. What level do you consider expert? I'm 2000 - 2100 in bullet and haven't had to memorize anything. I mean, I'm sure I've memorized things, but through intuition not rote memorization. I'm sure I make plenty of mistakes, especially in the opening, though.
#44

@thefrickouttaherelol said in #43:

What level do you consider expert? I'm 2000 - 2100 in bullet and haven't had to memorize anything. I mean, I'm sure I've memorized things, but through intuition not rote memorization.

I'm sure I make plenty of mistakes, especially in the opening, though.

Of course I may be wrong about this, but I think the real game of Chess has to be played with plenty of time. Bullet chess nowadays is something very different, where a lot of "mistakes" are done and accepted even by professionals. They would never make the same mistakes in a 1 or 2 hours tournament.

This is to say, and answer your question:
I consider an expert someone who doesn't make mistakes.
But still, an expert looks like a newbie compared to a top world level one, this is why I say we shouldn't compare ourselves to the bests in the world. Chess is a huge, never ending rabbit hole

@thefrickouttaherelol said in #43: > What level do you consider expert? I'm 2000 - 2100 in bullet and haven't had to memorize anything. I mean, I'm sure I've memorized things, but through intuition not rote memorization. > > I'm sure I make plenty of mistakes, especially in the opening, though. Of course I may be wrong about this, but I think the real game of Chess has to be played with plenty of time. Bullet chess nowadays is something very different, where a lot of "mistakes" are done and accepted even by professionals. They would never make the same mistakes in a 1 or 2 hours tournament. This is to say, and answer your question: I consider an expert someone who doesn't make mistakes. But still, an expert looks like a newbie compared to a top world level one, this is why I say we shouldn't compare ourselves to the bests in the world. Chess is a huge, never ending rabbit hole
#45

@una_tantum said in #44:

I consider an expert someone who doesn't make mistakes.
But still, an expert looks like a newbie compared to a top world level one, this is why I say we shouldn't compare ourselves to the bests in the world. Chess is a huge, never ending rabbit hole
I mean, even Super GMs make mistakes sometimes, but if you mean the same mistakes you and I would make, probably not...

I have heard there is a lot of memorization, though. Especially with all the different lines of the Sicilian.

@una_tantum said in #44: > I consider an expert someone who doesn't make mistakes. > But still, an expert looks like a newbie compared to a top world level one, this is why I say we shouldn't compare ourselves to the bests in the world. Chess is a huge, never ending rabbit hole I mean, even Super GMs make mistakes sometimes, but if you mean the same mistakes you and I would make, probably not... I have heard there is a lot of memorization, though. Especially with all the different lines of the Sicilian.
#46

@thefrickouttaherelol "haven't had to memorize anything" ?? Maybe we have a different definition. We memorize our way home, and to school and the grocery store. We memorize the names of our family members. Everything we know, we memorized.
For a simple example, I bet you memorized the way the various pieces move, and how to set them up in the starting position.

You make some distinction between "through intuition" and "rote memorization." Sounds like "rote" is when someone else tells you what you need to memorize, gives you a list; And "through intuition" a more organic process, trial and error, repetition, and so on.
I'm guessing that you have some standard regular openings that you play (memorized) rather than approaching each move in each game as if you had never played before.

People like to be against 'memorization' without realizing it is essential to playing the game.

@thefrickouttaherelol "haven't had to memorize anything" ?? Maybe we have a different definition. We memorize our way home, and to school and the grocery store. We memorize the names of our family members. Everything we know, we memorized. For a simple example, I bet you memorized the way the various pieces move, and how to set them up in the starting position. You make some distinction between "through intuition" and "rote memorization." Sounds like "rote" is when someone else tells you what you need to memorize, gives you a list; And "through intuition" a more organic process, trial and error, repetition, and so on. I'm guessing that you have some standard regular openings that you play (memorized) rather than approaching each move in each game as if you had never played before. People like to be against 'memorization' without realizing it is essential to playing the game.
#47

I suck but have taught an entire gaggle of minions here a total new way to play. They are out on youtube now showing off their new toy.

You can stink and still change the game.

I suck but have taught an entire gaggle of minions here a total new way to play. They are out on youtube now showing off their new toy. You can stink and still change the game.
#48

conscious memorization, versus association memorization through experience. conscious memorization may use repetition (rote), or mental castles using non-chess imagination or other existing memories to consciously associate to things in chess they want to consciously memorize. every step of the way is conscious. using protocols.

associative memory through experience is more a statistical process, that may be entirely non-conscious... it does also involve repetition, but non recitation of a script to be learned. repetition of similar exposure. We would say we are familiar with such type of postions.. They look like something we have seen.. or yes, i do have experience with such opening, oh, you have a name for it.. good for you...

I guess those might be he polar opposite of the dichotomy some people suggest by saying memorization versus intuition.

just different type of memory acquisition process, and I would add, also different retrieval mechanisms.

conscious memorization, versus association memorization through experience. conscious memorization may use repetition (rote), or mental castles using non-chess imagination or other existing memories to consciously associate to things in chess they want to consciously memorize. every step of the way is conscious. using protocols. associative memory through experience is more a statistical process, that may be entirely non-conscious... it does also involve repetition, but non recitation of a script to be learned. repetition of similar exposure. We would say we are familiar with such type of postions.. They look like something we have seen.. or yes, i do have experience with such opening, oh, you have a name for it.. good for you... I guess those might be he polar opposite of the dichotomy some people suggest by saying memorization versus intuition. just different type of memory acquisition process, and I would add, also different retrieval mechanisms.
#50

Slow down. You have only played 21 classical games, those are the games where you have time to think properly. Play less rapid games and concentrate on real chess.

Slow down. You have only played 21 classical games, those are the games where you have time to think properly. Play less rapid games and concentrate on real chess.

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