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Puzzle: https://lichess.org/training/uhsbS

What do you think of the given solution, especially playing the puzzle to its final outcome as listed?

Puzzle: https://lichess.org/training/uhsbS What do you think of the given solution, especially playing the puzzle to its final outcome as listed?

SimonBirch

#2

Seems fine black wins loads of pieces and ends up far better off , what do you think that you do not like? xxx

PurpleInferno edited

#3

Well, a knight and a pawn but yes, the solution is winning and there aren't any good alternatives along the way.

PenguinWhack271828e

#4

Nope. Puzzle is good. Only line that wins.
(why didn't white just take the queen?)

Nope. Puzzle is good. Only line that wins. (why didn't white just take the queen?)

SimonBirch

edited

#5

@PenguinWhack271828e said in #4:

Nope. Puzzle is good. Only line that wins.
(why didn't white just take the queen?)
Ha ha very true I did not see that lol .....take the queen , simples

@PenguinWhack271828e said in #4: > Nope. Puzzle is good. Only line that wins. > (why didn't white just take the queen?) Ha ha very true I did not see that lol .....take the queen , simples

V1g1yy edited

#6

@PenguinWhack271828e
Yea, that's too funny. But, it gets better. Open up the game. W took 5 sec to capture on f6 (Nxf6), then B took 13 sec to capture the B on d3. Then not only did W not take the free Q, B didn't play the puzzle line and left it en pris, and W went on to miss the free Q a second time! Lol.

There is a trainload of red, blue and orange in the analysis!

@ClayStreet said in #1:

Puzzle: lichess.org/training/uhsbS

What do you think of the given solution, especially playing the puzzle to its final outcome as listed?
I got it right... only catch was making sure the N protects the back rank so the final N capture isn't met with #.

@PenguinWhack271828e Yea, that's too funny. But, it gets better. Open up the game. W took 5 sec to capture on f6 (Nxf6), then B took 13 sec to capture the B on d3. Then not only did W not take the free Q, B didn't play the puzzle line and left it en pris, and W went on to miss the free Q a second time! Lol. There is a trainload of red, blue and orange in the analysis! @ClayStreet said in #1: > Puzzle: lichess.org/training/uhsbS > > What do you think of the given solution, especially playing the puzzle to its final outcome as listed? I got it right... only catch was making sure the N protects the back rank so the final N capture isn't met with #.

petri999

#7

@ClayStreet said in #1:

Puzzle: lichess.org/training/uhsbS

What do you think of the given solution, especially playing the puzzle to its final outcome as listed?
did you check you ideas with computer analysis? that usually tell what is wrong with you ideas. Sometimes there two - for human - equally good answers but that is not very common.

@ClayStreet said in #1: > Puzzle: lichess.org/training/uhsbS > > What do you think of the given solution, especially playing the puzzle to its final outcome as listed? did you check you ideas with computer analysis? that usually tell what is wrong with you ideas. Sometimes there two - for human - equally good answers but that is not very common.

nadjarostowa

#8

As a chess player, how about giving one variation where you think the puzzle is wrong and why?

mkubecek

#9

One cool and tempting line would be 15... Qxf1+ 16. Kxf1 Rxf2+ 17. Kg1 Rf3+ 18. Kh1 Rf1# (losing to 18. Nxb6, 18. Ne3 or 18. Be3). People who are used to artificial or hand picked puzzles often find it hard to accept that next to such cool line, the actual solution is winning "only" a piece. It feels a bit disappointing - but it also makes lichess puzzles more realistic.

V1g1yy edited

#10

@mkubecek said in #9:

One cool and tempting line would be 15... Qxf1+ 16. Kxf1 Rxf2+ 17. Kg1 Rf3+ 18. Kh1 Rf1# (losing to 18. Nxb6, 18. Ne3 or 18. Be3).

For some time I've been working on my visualization, and I just read your post and sat here trying to go through your line just from my memory of the board last night. I kept thinking, "yea... uhh... that doesn't work...???" and finally had to open the puzzle again to verify that, yes I am still seeing the board correctly, and all those fails you pointed out were indeed problematic! Then I read the rest of your post and realized that's what you were pointing out... lol. Pretty funny, but I was happy with myself recalling the position well enough to recalculate a new line, blind. Fact is, last night I first considered Rf3+ (for about 0.1 seconds) till I saw that Nxb6 ain't so good for black, and looked into something a little more materialistic, like an additional B, Q and N for a R and B, to sweeten the deal!

I kept thinking, Why would he go Kh1??
Note to self, read all the way through next time or it might not make sense.

(edit again) Of course, with the other moves in the game, Kh1 and missing Rf1# isn't really all that much a stretch!

@mkubecek said in #9: > One cool and tempting line would be 15... Qxf1+ 16. Kxf1 Rxf2+ 17. Kg1 Rf3+ 18. Kh1 Rf1# (losing to 18. Nxb6, 18. Ne3 or 18. Be3). For some time I've been working on my visualization, and I just read your post and sat here trying to go through your line just from my memory of the board last night. I kept thinking, "yea... uhh... that doesn't work...???" and finally had to open the puzzle again to verify that, yes I am still seeing the board correctly, and all those fails you pointed out were indeed problematic! Then I read the rest of your post and realized that's what you were pointing out... lol. Pretty funny, but I was happy with myself recalling the position well enough to recalculate a new line, blind. Fact is, last night I first considered Rf3+ (for about 0.1 seconds) till I saw that Nxb6 ain't so good for black, and looked into something a little more materialistic, like an additional B, Q and N for a R and B, to sweeten the deal! I kept thinking, Why would he go Kh1?? Note to self, read all the way through next time or it might not make sense. (edit again) Of course, with the other moves in the game, Kh1 and missing Rf1# isn't really all that much a stretch!